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post Mar 26 2015, 07:05 PM
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It is out today. Has anyone bought it and given it a try yet? It is on my To Do list of games. But I was hoping to hear a bit more about it. The Reviews are solid. It sounds like a modern successor to the classic Baldur's Gate-style rpg games, with a new fantasy setting, an isometric view, party of characters, lot of races and classes to choose from.


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post Aug 31 2015, 07:38 PM
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I like the isometric view. It works better for strategy style games, where managing multiple characters and positioning is important. One reason I never use companions in Bethesda games is they always run in front of you when you are shooting, or they shoot you in the back. That kind of thing doesn't happen in isometric games, because you can control the actions of not only yourself, but your companions.

Since you forced me to, I created a Ranger to try out, and took a lion companion. Turns out the Lion has a roar power that frightens enemies and gives them penalties to things like their accuracy. The trouble is I am never sure if he has done it yet or not, and if I miss it he just stands around doing nothing until I realize I need to make him attack again. So I think I will create a new character with a different companion.

But I did think the ranged combat worked out well. Wounding Shot worked very well at hobbling most enemies and slowing them down. I noticed that the Rogue class gets a sneak attack on all enemies that are hobbled. So it looks like a Ranger and Rogue would be a deadly combo.

I am now wondering how a ranged Rogue would do? I think the devs intended the Rogue to be mainly a melee fighter, but it seems most of their abilities and talents work at range as well. Except I know their Backstab talent only works up close.

I just tried it out with a Hearth Orlan, and a Ranged Rogue is very powerful. All Rogues automatically get Sneak Attack, which does an extra 50% damage to enemies who are blinded, hobbled, flanked, prone, etc... It also works on all attacks in the first two seconds of combat. So a Ranged Rogue's first shot is always going to be a sneak attack.

The Rogue picks from Hobbling Strike or Blinding Strike at character creation. If either one hits it insures a Sneak Attack on all your hits afterward. Hobbling Strike seems ideal for a ranged character, as it slows your enemy down. If you have a Fighter with you (and you should!), their Knockdown will also provide you with more Sneak Attack opportunities.

The downside is that unlike the Ranger, you don't get that Animal Companion to run interference for you, and you definitely don't want to be alone with this character. The upside is Sneak Attack makes you a beast with a bow. I was dishing out far more damage with the Ranged Rogue than the Ranger. The downside is that I also drew more fire, and when I got hit it really hurt. This is definitely a great idea for a glass cannon type character.


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post Sep 1 2015, 03:58 AM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Aug 31 2015, 01:38 PM) *

I like the isometric view. It works better for strategy style games, where managing multiple characters and positioning is important. One reason I never use companions in Bethesda games is they always run in front of you when you are shooting, or they shoot you in the back. That kind of thing doesn't happen in isometric games, because you can control the actions of not only yourself, but your companions.

I agree with all of these points - it really helps to plan out the attack before hand and to be able to tell your companions which enemy to go for. I was able to send Calisca and Ursula (my bear) to attack a bandit chief while I took out the bandit archer. It worked well - the two of them took out the more powerful enemy pretty quickly, and I was able to redirect them against the archer, by which time he was pretty hurt.

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Since you forced me to, I created a Ranger to try out, and took a lion companion.
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But I did think the ranged combat worked out well. Wounding Shot worked very well at hobbling most enemies and slowing them down. I noticed that the Rogue class gets a sneak attack on all enemies that are hobbled. So it looks like a Ranger and Rogue would be a deadly combo.
Now that give me an idea . . . I had initially considered going with a Rogue character (that or a Druid), but settled on the Ranger as that had more Might.

Thank you for all the info. This is really my first D&D based RPG - and I had never played D&D, so I'm totally unfamiliar with all the terminology and rules. But I don't care beyond having fun following the story. However I do want my character to live long enough to get through the storyline! So your information breaks it down into more manageable chunks for someone like me.


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SubRosa   Pillars Of Eternity   Mar 26 2015, 07:05 PM
ArtemisNoir2   Somebody I know on a small, private forum (so I wo...   Mar 26 2015, 08:00 PM
SubRosa   One thing I am really interested in hearing is how...   Mar 26 2015, 09:57 PM
Acadian   You can really see the BG influence in the shots a...   Mar 26 2015, 10:06 PM
mirocu   But I´m not done with Oblivion and Fallout 3 yet.....   Mar 26 2015, 10:11 PM
stargelman   Don't have time to post, really. As one of 770...   Apr 16 2015, 05:28 PM
SubRosa   Since it is on sale at Gog, I decided to finally b...   Aug 28 2015, 12:37 AM
SubRosa   I also forgot to add that it starts out exactly th...   Aug 28 2015, 11:18 PM
Acadian   Thanks for sharing your impressions, SubRosa. I k...   Aug 28 2015, 11:45 PM
SubRosa   Okay, since you forced me, I spent the evening rol...   Aug 29 2015, 03:40 AM
Acadian   Wow, thanks for such wonderfully detailed observat...   Aug 29 2015, 03:55 AM
SubRosa   Forgot to include A pic from my Druid's game. ...   Aug 29 2015, 04:16 AM
Acadian   The screenie looks great. As you say, quite famil...   Aug 29 2015, 02:21 PM
SubRosa   I did some digging, and found a list of helpful co...   Aug 29 2015, 05:45 PM
SubRosa   Ok, here are some basic console commands that work...   Aug 29 2015, 10:10 PM
Acadian   I can see that if I ever pick up PoE, I'll be ...   Aug 29 2015, 10:26 PM
SubRosa   If you ever pick it up? Does that mean you are act...   Aug 30 2015, 02:00 AM
SubRosa   I bring glad tidings from the world of Pillars. I ...   Aug 30 2015, 09:29 PM
haute ecole rider   Thanks to your reviews, I downloaded Pillars for t...   Aug 30 2015, 11:52 PM
SubRosa   Yay, another forumite has been Pillared! :lol...   Aug 31 2015, 12:49 AM
SubRosa   I went and bought The White March expansion pass. ...   Aug 31 2015, 03:35 AM
Acadian   :lol: Boo has been replaced by a piglet!   Aug 31 2015, 03:41 AM
haute ecole rider   Because my new Skyrim toon is in the midst of the ...   Aug 31 2015, 03:45 AM
SubRosa   Acaidan: I was thinking of Boo as well! Hamste...   Aug 31 2015, 04:23 PM
haute ecole rider   When SeJin leveled up, I didn't notice if Ursu...   Aug 31 2015, 05:20 PM
SubRosa   [quote name='SubRosa' post='244506' date='Aug 31 ...   Sep 1 2015, 07:15 PM
Acadian   Drawn in by all this talk of ranged combat, animal...   Aug 31 2015, 10:11 PM
SubRosa   I think you should give buying Pillars some seriou...   Aug 31 2015, 10:14 PM
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haute ecole rider   I also like how the choices you make in the dialog...   Sep 1 2015, 09:32 PM
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Lopov   After reading through this thread and some reviews...   Sep 2 2015, 10:19 AM
haute ecole rider   So in the TES games, you cheat by opening the cons...   Sep 2 2015, 05:07 PM
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SubRosa   Lopov: I used the SetZoomRange {minimum zoom} {max...   Sep 3 2015, 02:08 PM
Lopov   I took on that Bear alone with Persephone, and it ...   Sep 3 2015, 02:24 PM
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SubRosa   Aww, so cute to see you folks rolling nu t00ns to...   Sep 4 2015, 03:25 AM
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Lopov   Yetizad was featured in an Italian comic series ca...   Sep 5 2015, 10:15 PM
SubRosa   I like that bird logo Zagor has on his chest. It l...   Sep 5 2015, 10:24 PM
SubRosa   Here is a map of the game world. It shows where th...   Sep 6 2015, 03:24 AM
Acadian   Very nice, SubRosa! It's great to see the...   Sep 6 2015, 04:05 AM
SubRosa   This looks like one of Persephone's old pals ...   Sep 7 2015, 03:55 AM
haute ecole rider   This looks like one of Persephone's old pals ...   Sep 15 2015, 12:28 AM
Lopov   SubRosa, Persephone's race is Godlike, right? ...   Sep 7 2015, 12:51 PM
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haute ecole rider   Clancy Brown sounds perfect as Darryl! :blink:...   Sep 8 2015, 12:12 AM
SubRosa   It is the Male - Sinister voice. Turns out is done...   Sep 8 2015, 12:42 AM
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SubRosa   Good luck to Aryan! The amount of variables ...   Sep 9 2015, 11:21 PM
Lopov   Even more, if you managedto get through the fight ...   Sep 10 2015, 06:15 AM
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Lopov   Are Endless Paths of Od Nua completely optional or...   Sep 11 2015, 06:23 AM
SubRosa   You only have to do the dungeon of Caed Nua, and a...   Sep 11 2015, 09:45 AM
haute ecole rider   Reloaded the game. Got further against that Forest...   Sep 11 2015, 06:17 PM
Lopov   SubRosa, do you by chance know a console command t...   Sep 11 2015, 07:43 PM
SubRosa   Reloaded the game. Got further against that Fores...   Sep 11 2015, 08:02 PM
Lopov   I found the correct code, it's quest_item_sack...   Sep 11 2015, 08:54 PM
SubRosa   I am not having any luck with it now. I even tried...   Sep 11 2015, 09:06 PM
Lopov   Thanks anyway. I'll wait for the save editor t...   Sep 11 2015, 11:02 PM
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Lopov   I buffed both of them with the console, so they ca...   Sep 12 2015, 07:57 AM
Acadian   SubRosa, love the little black cat familiar! ...   Sep 12 2015, 03:25 PM
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Colonel Mustard   Eyyyy! *Finger guns into thread* I've ju...   Sep 13 2015, 09:56 AM
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haute ecole rider   Yup! And Yup - my favorite JB. SeJin (my PC) ...   Sep 15 2015, 02:26 AM
Lopov   Now if someone says that they aren't similar.....   Sep 16 2015, 10:00 PM
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