~The little Coffee-shop~ Options

[Channler]

[quote=Oozae]What do you do for work?[/quote]

Well its kinda hard to say.. Ok here it goes.. I'm a male dancer..

J/K

Actually I work at a Coffee Shop/Steak House, I was dishes, prepare food.. and whatever else the boss lady tells me to do

[jonajosa]

[quote=Channler]Are your gas prices high dpwn there?
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Gas prices here in asheville are $2.20. (American currency) Its killin me.

Those eco people are crazy... heres a qoute from one- "We should put all animals before us humans." What a bunch of poo that is.

Isn't it in alaska where they found all that oil under the ground?

[Aki]

Ah, Humans. both the smartest and dumbest animal to ever walk this mudball.

We don't need friggin' oil and compassion. Get up some dams, some windmills, solar panals. Etc. Renewable energy. Doesn't cost compassion, except for the miantenace of the facility, and it makes electricty.

Hell, once we get Geo-thermal stuff figured out, we can use all that damn Heat in the magma inthe inner portions of the earth for some good.

:paperbag:

And kinda should put animals before us. I mean, what else are we gonna friggin' eat? I aint going vegitarian cause a bunch of dumb hamsters killed all the animals. I'll subsist off junk food.

[DoomedOne]

K, this is whatever so I'll start something

You want to know what drilling the alaska refuge will do for us? Here's what it'll do.

Roughly 20 years from now, out reliance on foreign oil will drop from 66% to 60%.

It's compeltely useless to drill from there.

The cost however, is destroying one of the last arctic wildlife refuges left. A third of the carnivores that make their home in that refuge are endangered.

And, maybe people are so worried about the ecosystem because without it... we can't breathe? You cut down too much rain forest, and suddenly not enough oxygen is being produced anymore.

The more humans invade, clear cut and mono-farm wild-life lands, the closer we're pushing ourselves to extinction. I just don't understand it, when did it happen that suddenly humans no longer lived in the same ecosystem as animals, and started working as hard as possible to replace the animal's ecosystem with our own?

[jonajosa]

[quote=Aki]
And kinda should put animals before us. I mean, what else are we gonna friggin' eat? I aint going vegitarian cause a bunch of dumb hamsters killed all the animals. I'll subsist off junk food. [/quote]

So... then if i had a gun pointed at you and another guy had a gun pointed at a cow. You would want me to shoot you rather than the cow? Cause thats what your sayin. We will never run out of animals to eat anyway.

Please cut down on the language.

[DoomedOne]

[quote=jonajosa][quote=Aki]
And kinda should put animals before us. I mean, what else are we gonna friggin' eat? I aint going vegitarian cause a bunch of dumbfucks killed all the animals. I'll subsist off junk food. [/quote]

So... then if i had a gun pointed at you and another guy had a gun pointed at a cow. You would want me to shoot you rather than the cow? Cause thats what your sayin. We will never run out of animals to eat anyway.

Please cut down on the language. [/quote]

That's not what he's saying at all. Don't misconstrue it. We're not like PETA where we think all animals need to have fresh peticures and be massaged daily or anything.

It's simply that we eat animals. If we stop caring about animals, we don't have any food. On the other hand, we don't eat other humans, they give you indigestion.

[Channler]

AHH! We gots Ecologists here!

WE ARE GOING TO RUN OUT OF FUEL... IT WILL GO AWAY EVENTUALLY

IF WE CONSERVE IT WE ARE ONLY PROLONGING THE TIME UNTIL IT RUNS OUT

These big british boat oil company's (and also OPEC) don't want people investing there money into newer cleaner better effiecient methods of energy for they will loose money!

I say use the oil, and at the sametime prepare for when it runs out.

And about the rainforest and cutting down trees, please don't start that bull. Sure if we went on a tree killing rampage there would be a problem, but were not. I'm heading to work I'll post more latta

at last a topic we can debate

[DoomedOne]

[quote=Channler]AHH! We gots Eco-Nazi's here!

WE ARE GOING TO RUN OUT OF FUEL... IT WILL GO AWAY EVENTUALLY

IF WE CONSERVE IT WE ARE ONLY PROLONGING THE TIME UNTIL IT RUNS OUT

These big british boat oil company's (and also OPEC) don't want people investing there money into newer cleaner better effiecient methods of energy for they will loose money!

I say use the oil, and at the sametime prepare for when it runs out.

And about the rainforest and cutting down trees, please don't start that bull. Sure if we went on a tree killing rampage there would be a problem, but were not. I'm heading to work I'll post more latta

at last a topic we can debate[/quote]


Of course the oil companies want you to keep using oil. Here's the funny thing, the oil peak doesn't happen when we run out of oil, it happens when we're half-way out of oil. Don't expect the oil companies to change their position at all, even when we're knee deep in a second depression. Looking for other oil sources isn't really helping, look at Iraq as an example, we secured the oil there, and the gas prices went up. It's not time to try and suck the earth dry, it's time to jump the transition into alternative fuels.

Yes, we are going on a tree cutting rampage. Brazil signed away a large chunk of the rain forest in brazil to a corporation just last year. The rain-forest has one quarter inch of top-soil. That basically means that if you clear cut a part of a rain-forest, it'll take hundreds of years for that part to grow back, because there's only a quarter inch of nutrients.

[jonajosa]

We do care about animals. But we will never run out of animals to eat. Theres enough fish in the atlantic for everybody to eat untill they die. 46 billion caper wash up on Englands shore every year. Thats just that area of the world too. Lets not even beging to try to count how many wash up around the world.

All livestock is increasing. We can care about animals but we dont have to completely draw our attention to them. Food is nothing to worry about.

Forests... Studies show that the rainforest has actually increased this year. When the leader of the organization made to save the rainforest was asked to coment on this he was awstruck and praised the foresters for planting more trees in the places where they cut down the other ones.

But whatever.
- Food is fine. Animal population is increasing.
- Forests are increasing not being all wiped out.

Theres nothing to worry about in those areas.

[Channler]

And you can't only say that the rain forest is the only source of oxygen producing tree's out there. There are many forests and woods and wilderness of the world and the rain forests only make up part them.

darn't.. the boss is callin me..

[DoomedOne]

I'm just going to delete this.

Channler, Take out both rain forests, and there is no longer enough oxygen being produced for us the breathe. That doesn't even mean 100% of all rain forest, that just means roughly 65% of them.

Yeah all trees produce oxygen, but none the extent of the rain forest, it's the bread and butter of this planet.

[jonajosa]

Rainforests are not all being cut down though. Trees are being replaced as we speak. There are more now than there were 5 min ago.

we all have diffrent opinions. But it was nice to talk about somthing diffrent for a change!

Goodjob everyone! We can try again later.

[Channler]

Ok heres a simple question

Which would you prefer to live?Natural Rainforest's and the Gagiollions of free animals out there or The Human race

We have acheived a level of technology significant enough to sustain ourselves without relying on the earths natural way of doing things. So far everything is ok, and besides if we use up all the oil then we can't have anymore oil spills doomed one

[jonajosa]

both. We should not pick sides though. I just dont think we need to worry about the forests and animals right now. Others have got that under control. People devote themselves to working in that kind of stuff.

[DoomedOne]

Yeah, jonajosa ended it already so we can stop too. Go admire my beautiful hero machine art.

[jonajosa]

ok. It better be good. or else...

[Channler]

but I was having fun...

What else can we argue about?

[DoomedOne]

I don't know. I consider myself a moderate progressive, I just happen to feel really strongly about the environment. I don't tend to argue about toher political stuff. (not even gay marriage ebcause I think arguing about it is stupid. Religious nuts don't want it, everyone else thinks the religious nuts are... religious nuts)

[Channler]

Yea I don't really want to argue bout the gay marraige thing.. someone might take offense... *Looks around the coffee shop*

Anyways I heard this really geeky dude in my 4th period class say that these physisist's(SP? I know that wrong) have made a quantum something (I think it was generator) that can.. err.. teleport atoms three feet away from it.. Anyone here about this?

Edit: Err my political terms are a bit shaky, moderate progressive? Is that like a independant?

[DoomedOne]

Yeah moderates or centralists aren't part of either side of the political spectrum.

See, the country isn't really that polarized. It's just that Bushed pissed a whole lot of people off (including me on mutliple occassion) so they all went to the streets, and those people pissed a lot of bush supporters off so these people took up arms. I'm somewhere left of center because of my ecological views.