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[Channler]

Ok....

Why?
USA is not perfect.

Correct! But neither is any one country in the world. Comparing USA to China is like comparing watermelons to cantalopes (I think thats what their called.. ) however comparing the US to the UK is like comparing a watermelon and a grapefruit.

They are all fruit.. But some are much bigger and different then the others. Population make ups are so different that it is unfair to compare them. Some of our corporations are richer then most african countries combined.. what does that tell you?

I think you didn't understand my point.They will provide you only if you're willing to work or take education.OR if you're sick and unable to work.
Now telling me that a country with such capacityes as USA can't temporarily provide money to those who can't make it at the moment......I'm not convinced.
There is an old chinese saying:
''Give a man a fish,and you fed him for one day.Teach a man how to catch a fish,and you fed him for his whole life.''
In modernt terms it would be:Give me money and i'll have money for one day.Teach me how to make money and i'll have money for a lifetime.

USA should be able to provide poor people education and some money while they're at school ,and make them capable to work.Or find them a job,which is even better.
Country gives you money when you need it.But when you start working,you will actualy return that money to the state via taxes you can now pay wink.gif

Yes, temporarily we can provide aid. And that is exactly what it should be used for. One blow can severly cripple your family, I know. I've been there. However there are many people that take advantage of this system, and it happens in every free enviroment. People that won't work and have children just so they get more money.. and my tax money goes to supporting them! I hate that thought.

And the old chinese proverb is wonderous too. But people (in America) nowadays are either A) wanna live the thug, white trash, and bum life Are to conservative and believe in their own superiority, and C) Liberals that think we should give alot more to group A) We have free "forced" education untill your 16, then you can decide if you want to stick with it or not. However, in my school alone 1/3 of my entire class is not expected to graduate. Why? Is it because welfare? No it is because of the decay of moral society and affirmative action.

Bottom line is that people are growing lazy and are looking for handouts. When the US stopped providing aid to Tawian their economy BOOMED. Why? Because it was either become a part of China, or work your boat off and become independent. Their ecomony and way of life was stagnant because they didn't have to do anything! The US was providing all the cash for it!

I admire that.
But i think that the state should have helped them.
At least provided them with a decent place to stay.
And i don't mean shalter!
I mean a decent small apartment.

Err.. Shelter doesn't always mean like a tin shack or something. A homeless shelter generally is a fairly decent place with showers and bathrooms and of course cooking areas.

Yes indeed.The way i was told,USA is great in some things,but it's horrible for something else.Homeless disscusion is a good example here.

For example my cousin (who lives and works in USA),tells me that you can make good money in the states,but if you get sick you're in big trouble.The hospital prices are huge,and his health insurance can't cover that (he says he has a good health ensurance).Maybe you as an American can tell me mre about this subject?

I would agree for you their. Medical care is incredibly expensive here.. But do you know why? Its because your have these NO CLASS citizens that will sue a doctor because they believe something went wrong! So a doctor needs 9+ years of training to find it safe to practice. But after nine years of school (and school bills) wouldn't you expect a little pay-up? And what about that emergency fund incase a person decides to sue you for reasons you can't stop? Who do I blame? The idiots that let court cases like that win. And that usually happens to be pro-liberal judges.

There is no winning.. I'm loosing faith. Maybe I should become a monk or something.. at least they won't tell me how GWB looks like a monkey.

[HyPN0]

Oscar Wilde, THE PIMP DADDY would say seriously, if you wanna get a decent car... and this goes for entire world, not just Europe or America or any particular place... go for the German. Volkswagen For The Win, every day, all the way !

Well, as I said, if it's only couple of years old it's good!
But later..... hehe.....hehe....

[Channler]

It's not bootleg at all, you're not stealing anything, you're just not purchasing an outdated, dangerous, dirty, over-priced product.

Well maybe bootleg isn't the right word.. It just seems kinda.. I don't know, odd... heh, making your own fuel.. Anyways.

I'm not worried about it upsetting the market as I'm more wondering how this will effect the market. Its proven that we like import cars, I like import cars. Why? I don't know, most of them smoke American cars with their price and reliability.

[DarkHunter]

We should vote in a president of Chorrol.com!... alright who's the nominees? (w/e)

[Dantrag]

We should vote in a president of Chorrol.com!... alright who's the nominees? (w/e)

Not really the point of this thread...

Well maybe bootleg isn't the right word.. It just seems kinda.. I don't know, odd... heh, making your own fuel.. Anyways.

I'm not worried about it upsetting the market as I'm more wondering how this will effect the market. Its proven that we like import cars, I like import cars. Why? I don't know, most of them smoke American cars with their price and reliability.

I don't think it will make that much of an impact. So many people rely on the well-known brands, whether they be Japanese or American, because that's what they've seen all their lives and they know that they are reliable.

Now, after the company has been running for a decade or so and builds a bit of a reputation...who can tell?

EDIT: I heard that they are just copies of american cars. (Not sure though, because I haven't really looked at them in too much detail)

This post has been edited by Dantrag: May 30 2006, 09:23 PM

[Megil Tel-Zeke]

I had a good laugh reading the articles. I don't know if I would trust Bricklin for a succesful import :S. the man seems to be failed attempt after failed attempt O.o. That and theirQQ does look like the spark. I'm not impressed thus far, and while some are expecting it to be a big hit due to the large number htey are importing in their first year. I am not to sure. I would have to wait and see what consumer report's test turn out like for chery's car before I will make a true judgement on these vehicles. If it turns otu to be a good car safety wise and fuel economy wise then I could understand.


and for a quick laugh. now even our cars will come with 'Made in China' stickers. Corny I know

EDIt: spelling >.<

This post has been edited by Megil Tel-Zeke: May 30 2006, 09:47 PM

[Dantrag]

Did a bit of gravedigging here, but I wanted some more current event talk.

So, two Wednesdays ago, (July 12th) the US announced its desires to have control of South Korea's troops during war time. To quote Wiki -

The United States is considering establishing an independent command for South Korean troops. South Korea has command of its forces during peacetime, but currently the United States would take control if there were a war.

Thoughts? I think that the US is reaching too far here. I mean, South Korea needs someone to protect South Korean interests, not the United States'. War time is when they would need control of their troops most. We need to mind our own business more often.

This post has been edited by Dantrag: Jul 30 2006, 11:49 PM

[Neela]

Thoughts? I think that the US is reaching too far here. I mean, South Korea needs someone to protect South Korean interests, not the United States'. War time is when they would need control of their troops most. We need to mind our own business more often.

Actually that is what they are proposing. The US has had control of South Koreas forces since the end of the Korean War. They are not trying to gain control here, but give it back to them.

[Ibis]

I think they should give control back to them for peacetime and wartime ... with the USA as allies and advisors. Seems to work well everywhere else in the world.

[Dantrag]

Thoughts? I think that the US is reaching too far here. I mean, South Korea needs someone to protect South Korean interests, not the United States'. War time is when they would need control of their troops most. We need to mind our own business more often.

Actually that is what they are proposing. The US has had control of South Koreas forces since the end of the Korean War. They are not trying to gain control here, but give it back to them.

Wow, I feel like an idiot. I'll learn to read one of these days.

[DoomedOne]

This just in: Americans are officially lazier than Mexicans

Protesters freeze Mexico City's Economy

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Street protests led by the leftist candidate in Mexico's presidential election plunged the capital into chaos for a second day on Tuesday, raising fears of a long and increasingly nasty fight over vote fraud claims.

The mass demonstrations called by Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador to protest alleged vote-rigging in his close election defeat to conservative rival Felipe Calderon on July 2 have turned Mexico City's swanky business district into a sprawling campsite.

European Union observers say they found no evidence of fraud, but Mexico's long history of vote fraud has left many leftists suspicious. Lopez Obrador says he has evidence that vote returns were tampered with.

Mexican protesters completely froze Mexico City's economy that day because of possible voter fraud there was no evidence of. Meanwhile in the USA we had mountains of evidence against the legitimacy of our last two elections. Take for example:

The security problems with voting machines: Confirmed by both Democrat Representative John Coyer as well as a programmer within Diebold, a single hacker with a Wi-fi connection could shift the results of entire precincts just by driving by. Even the GAO decided the security flaws were "vast and unacceptable" throughout the entire national network.

A Diebold spokesman admitted a flaw was actually built into the system to allow election officials to upgrade their software, but Diebold is confident there are no election officials that would use this to cheat... in fact the quote by Diebold's David Bear went like this, "For there to be a problem here, you're basically assuming a premise where you have some evil or nefarious election officials who would sneak in an introduce a new piece of software, I don't believe these evil elections people exist." What he's basically saying is if an official has the motivation to do so they could change the results of their precinct. But of course, who would have the motivation to do so? Well, Ohio 2004's election chief was J. Kenneth Blackwell. He had the above mentioned access. Not long after the election was won, he was given a job as Secretary of Agriculture, and now receives quite a nice paycheck.

In fact, Blackwell personally handled a no-bid contract for Diebold's touch-screen voting machines... while holding stock in the company. Furthermore, under HB3 Blackwell has the sole responsbility of deciding whether these voting machines will be audited or not in an election where he's running for governor.

And that's just voting machines, in the 2004 elections 3.6 million votes were cast but never counted. They were called spoiled votes or rejected provisional ballots. If these missing votes were random it wouldn't matter, but they weren't. In fact, the invalidated votes were primarily against minorities. If you were Latino, your vote was 500% more likely to be not counted than if you were white. If you were black, your vote was 900% more likely not to be counted. If you were Native American, your vote was 2000% more likely not to be counted.

In New Mexico, 89% of votes thrown away were in minority districts. Kerry would have won New Mexico. In Ohio, 155,000 black votes were thrown away. Kerry would have won Ohio.

And after all that, what happens? Barbara Boxer challenges the results, and for four hours "they went over the evidence" but they didn't. If you watched C-Span, the evidence was largely outnumbered by a Glib Offensive tossing metaphorical tomatoes at Boxer. It was very rare to see anyone in this offensive attack what they were saying, or to even refer to the evidence. In more cases, they were knocking down strawmen or using ad hominems. They even refered to Boxer as a "Michael Moore liberal."

And who in the United States froze a freaking city? In Mexico, the candidate asked for it, and bam, complete and total lock-down of Ciudad del Mexico. And it's not that Americans don't believe the election was stolen, either. According to OpEdNews/Zogby People's poll of Pennysylvania residents, 39% of the state thought the election was stolen. 54% said it was legitimate. This is probably a much closer poll than if you took one of Mexico, but here's the kicker: Of the people who watch Rupert Murdoch's Fox News as their primary source of News, .5% believe it was stolen, and 99% believe it was legitimate. Of the people who watched other news sources as their primary source of News, the people who believe the election was stolen are in the majority. CNN: 70%, MSNBC: 65%, CBS: 64%, ABC: 56%, Other: 56%, NBC: 49%, with Fox at just .5%.

And the best part is, none of the above mentioned information made it to ANY of the above mentioned news places. The most the new York Times ever mentioned was that it was "the latest concern about touch-screen machines."

What does our media focus on? Some actor got drunk and talked compassion about jews, and that is apparently more interesting news.

So the final resolution of this Novel, if you want a healthy democracy, move to Mexico.

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So, this is not really an argument about the legitimacy of the 2004 election, but why was Mexico up in arms with less evidence while America didn't do anything? Do you blame the media refusing to properly inform the citizens? Do you blame the candidates because neither Al Gore nor John Kerry pushed the issu?. Do you blame the general state of mind of Americans today? Because it seems to me we have the exact same problems now as we did in the early 60s, lying politicians, corruption, war, our firends and family dying for stupid reasons, so what's the difference? Why do the people of America today sit on their asses and let the government get away with it?

This post has been edited by DoomedOne: Aug 2 2006, 01:52 AM