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DoomedOne
post May 25 2005, 12:06 AM
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I'm against the death penalty though.


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post May 25 2005, 12:06 AM
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As am i lol biggrin.gif


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post May 25 2005, 12:07 AM
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W'll need to gang up an channler when he comes on.


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post May 25 2005, 12:08 AM
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sure ok biggrin.gif


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post May 25 2005, 12:26 AM
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death penalty is right in some cases. so i support it.

Religion should not be disscused here at the forums.
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post May 25 2005, 12:36 AM
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death penalty...........ok for cruelty and molesting of small children.....and as jona said

NO RELIGION it is bound to get overboard


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post May 25 2005, 12:43 AM
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No it shouldn't , because I would have to convert you all... Remeber the spanish inquisition!?

[/quote] Death Penalty [Quote]

I'm for the death penalty, why?

People that kill one another in our nation is wrong, and I'm sure thats elsewhere too

I don't know about you but I don't want some child killer around my little bros

costs to much money for life imprisonment, besides even if they say there is no chance for parole they can still obtain it..


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post May 25 2005, 12:44 AM
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no, i wasn' born for a long time after it tongue.gif


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post May 25 2005, 01:09 AM
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To what Doomedone said in the coffee shop about all the resources he has...

I got one too, it's called the bible.. oh wait, thats not a valid book. I forgot sorry :confused:


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post May 25 2005, 01:13 AM
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[quote=Channler]No it shouldn't , because I would have to convert you all... Remeber the spanish inquisition!?

[/quote] Death Penalty [quote]

I'm for the death penalty, why?

People that kill one another in our nation is wrong, and I'm sure thats elsewhere too

I don't know about you but I don't want some child killer around my little bros

costs to much money for life imprisonment, besides even if they say there is no chance for parole they can still obtain it..[/quote]

Deeath penalty is more then 8 time as expensive as life in prison in certain states.

In Texas, the death pentalty is more than 3 times as expensive as 40 years in prison at the highest security they can offer.

Accounted since 1976 we've spent over 1 biullion dollars extra on executions than we would have if we gave them all life in prison.

Throw the cost out of the window now:

The United Staes is the only 1st world country that has sentenced someone to death in the last 10 years.

There is absolutely no evidence that the death penalty makes people less likely to murder, rape, or commit treason. When there was a complete ban on the death penalty in 1986-1988, there was absolutely no rise in any of those crimes.

Since 1973 119 people have been released from death row because they were later proven innocent.

Countless more have been proven innocent after they were executed.

There have been 16 cases of evidence that they were innocent that the courts chose to ignore so the convicts were executed anyway.

There was one case where a man was proven by DNA evidence to be innocent before he was executed, and executed anyway.


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post May 25 2005, 02:26 AM
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[quote=DoomedOne]
Since 1973 119 people have been released from death row because they were later proven innocent.

Countless more have been proven innocent after they were executed.

There have been 16 cases of evidence that they were innocent that the courts chose to ignore so the convicts were executed anyway.

There was one case where a man was proven by DNA evidence to be innocent before he was executed, and executed anyway.[/quote]

Your not talking about the death penalty anymore, your talking about the lack of evodence proven for a death penalty. Your pretty much argueing that the judges and jurry's are idiots..


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post May 25 2005, 04:19 AM
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No, that is a flaw of appeals, and of government. The only way to abolish that flaw is to abolish the death penatly. People will wrongly charge anyone, it does not matter, because this is all evidence that comes to play AFTER they've been sent to death row. That means ahigher courts are receiving this information, and on sixteen occasions said, "I don't care, kill them anyways." On one of those occasions it was DNA evidence proving beyond reasonable doubt he was innocent. In fact, the appeals court conforimed this evidence, and he was still fried.

Where you cannot perfect a process of life and death, you cannot use it. It is that simple. This is a matter of injustice to the highest level, murder. In each case where an innocent was executed, every person that played a part in that execution is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Every person in favor of the death penalty is indirectly responsible for every execution under the system they support, whether innocent or not.


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post May 25 2005, 11:15 AM
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Pity about no religion here, that's the only debate I am interested in...

I do not believe in evolution.

I am against abortion, unless mother was in danger of dying.

Unsure about death penalty. Some crimes warrant such action, but... :paperbag2:

[quote=DoomedOne]Religion (I especially love arguing against the end of times but it's so difficult finding someone who actually believes in revelation)[/quote]
You've found one.
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minque
post May 25 2005, 11:20 AM
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Well I´m aware of people´s wish for discussing religion, but let´s wait and see if we can keep discussions of other flammable topics on a decent level in the long run then maybe we can try discuss some of that stuff. So I beg you to be patient....... smile.gif


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post May 25 2005, 05:41 PM
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Minque! With all the power that I have vested these few months here, I now dubb thee,

Minque, Protector of the Peace


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post May 25 2005, 05:42 PM
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Hear hear biggrin.gif
All praise Minque, Protector of the Peace! :rofl:


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post May 25 2005, 06:19 PM
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Minque, the W4O General Secretary!


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post May 25 2005, 06:29 PM
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[quote=Elongar]Minque, the W4O General Secretary![/quote]
of Peace.. tongue.gif
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post May 25 2005, 09:01 PM
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[quote=Fuzzy Knight][quote=Elongar]Minque, the W4O General Secretary![/quote]
of Peace.. tongue.gif[/quote]

and security.
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post May 25 2005, 09:09 PM
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Gracias Senhores........I´ll do my very best I assure you...because.....

I´m watching you!!!!!!!!!!! biggrin.gif


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