The W4O Parliament Options

[Hammergand]

[quote=minque]Well I´m aware of people´s wish for discussing religion, but let´s wait and see if we can keep discussions of other flammable topics on a decent level in the long run then maybe we can try discuss some of that stuff. So I beg you to be patient....... [/quote]
Keep begging...



I was kidding, however. I have no desire to debate religion here. :paperbag:

[jonajosa]

I just don't want to see it either. Because if i did you could neve pry me off this computer untill the person i was talking with started accepting christianity. I am a strong beliver and if i see someone even meesing with stuff like OMFG or GD i just want to blow them out.

But yes no religion here please.

[DoomedOne]

I'm a strong believer in respect of other people's beliefs. In the confines of discussion, or in a thread where we're allowed to disagree on a respectful level, I don't mind arguing religion. Here's the thing, when ever I get into an argument that is religious, and we know it's a religious argument, it's almsot like the religious guy can say, "I'm going to go ahead and give circular arguments, because that's what my faith is built upon."

That's why there's no use trying to cinvince anyone to give up their faith, because that's the whole definition of faith, so trying to be persuasive in the argument flatly of faith, it's like there's no point in arguing. However, if the faithful decides to try and argue on a reasonable level then you can argue.

Note: I use the word argue because though some do not understand the true meaning of the word argue, it can actually be something very reasonable. A debate is moderated, and since minque is the closest thing we have to a moderator, we're arguing here.

[Hammergand]

[quote=DoomedOne]Here's the thing, when ever I get into an argument that is religious, and we know it's a religious argument, it's almsot like the religious guy can say, "I'm going to go ahead and give circular arguments, because that's what my faith is built upon."[/quote]
Faith is not built on circular arguments. Sorry.

And that's so not the only argument Christians can give, which is the meaning I got from your post. :paperbag:

[DoomedOne]

Faith is built on circular arguments, and know you did not understand my post, but anyway:

"This thing is wrong because it's wrong" is a circular argument. There are tons of those in the Christian Faith. All of Leviticus is basically a book of circular arguments.

What I meant by the psot: You can't argues about religion only, it has to be about something specific, because people will believe what they want to believe, and if someone decides to be religious circular to try and fend off a point, you're supposed to respond, "For the purpose of an argument let's please stick to waht we can prove."

[Chumbaniya]

I'm so tempted to start arguing the case against the existence of God, but its just not worth it. I've done it countless times before and I'll just end up annoying people. Most of the time the non-religious agree and the religious state spurious doctrines to undermine the argument, so it wouldn't be productive. What topic are we supposed to be debating again?

[Channler]

Whatever you can come up with ATM

I belive what I believe and as DoomedOne said,

[quote=DoomedOne]That's why there's no use trying to cinvince anyone to give up their faith, because that's the whole definition of faith, so trying to be persuasive in the argument flatly of faith, it's like there's no point in arguing.[/quote]

It's hard to argue something that is deeply convicted in your heart. You tend not to look at the other side of the arguement, and all it becomes is a flame fest.

I do think though that you really can't say, "well I got all these books on evolution and whatnot, that give me all the answers" Cause I got a book, and it tells me the answers I need to know as well, its just not looked at the same way...

[Epy]

I think this has run it's course. We're close enough to 200 posts, discussing religion and going off-track, anyway.
Feel free to make a new one, but keep it tidy.

Going to close this now.

[minque]

ayyyy you beat me to it Epy!