The W4O Parliament Options

[Channler]

[quote=DoomedOne]
Time for some history

Lucy is the earliest recorded human ever found. She was born in Africa. She is basically Eve

Tigris and Euphrates are where civilization first started. That has nothing to do with the bible. Between the Tigris and Euphrates is where anthropologists theorize humans first started settling down and growing crops, husbanding animals, etcetera. Humans have been around far longer than civilization.[/quote]

Problem is, though, that they use carbon dating, which so off its not funny... "Ahh.. sir this says that its between 100000-1000 years old"
"Good, then it must be 10000 years old..."

BTW What are we talking about?

[jonajosa]

The mass murders in Sudan.

[DoomedOne]

[quote=Channler][quote=DoomedOne]
Time for some history

Lucy is the earliest recorded human ever found. She was born in Africa. She is basically Eve

Tigris and Euphrates are where civilization first started. That has nothing to do with the bible. Between the Tigris and Euphrates is where anthropologists theorize humans first started settling down and growing crops, husbanding animals, etcetera. Humans have been around far longer than civilization.[/quote]

Problem is, though, that they use carbon dating, which so off its not funny... "Ahh.. sir this says that its between 100000-1000 years old"
"Good, then it must be 10000 years old..."

BTW What are we talking about?[/quote]

No, they didn't use anthropology. They used the ruins, tried to understand the language, and looked at their calanders in comparison to other civilizations.

As for Lucy, she is the oldest skeleton ever found. We're talking 3.18 million years ago, that's much longer than the 20000 years or so civilization has been around

[minque]

So I´ve been reading with great interest and I think you all discuss this insofar in a nice civil way. It´s dangerous topics here it´s easy to get excited and say things you don´t mean to.


I´ll have to admit though that I in general agree with LoneWolf´s opinions....so may I be a pacifist... :goodjob:

[jonajosa]

Not you too minque! So dissapointing. But whatever. I understand.

[minque]

[quote=jonajosa]Not you too minque! So dissapointing. But whatever. I understand.[/quote]

oh? then what did you think i was then? living in a country like sweden, not even being 100% swedish.....i´ll tell you the truth...i´m scared.... :shocked:

[Channler]

Well I'm not a pacifist, but then I dont go out looking for a fight.

I just believe that people shouldn't be murdered. I know it will never stop, but we must do what we can to stop it.

[Elongar]

I would say (going way, way back to the Sudan part of the topic), that belief is not an excuse for murder. They use it as a reason for themselves, but there is no justification to the vast majority of people who do not follow such beliefs. In that way, we believe it to be wrong, and they believe it to be right, and nobody can do anything about it. For this reason, I would think it unwise to involve religion in international politics, as it could cause disasterous consequences.

[Channler]

Ok.. heres another topic, but quite a bit more funny then the rest...

What do you think about the government (US) getting angry about pictures of Saddam in the buff being shown everywhere?

Is it right? Wrong? or Inderferrent?

[jonajosa]

[quote=Elongar]I would say (going way, way back to the Sudan part of the topic), that belief is not an excuse for murder. They use it as a reason for themselves, but there is no justification to the vast majority of people who do not follow such beliefs. In that way, we believe it to be wrong, and they believe it to be right, and nobody can do anything about it. For this reason, I would think it unwise to involve religion in international politics, as it could cause disasterous consequences.[/quote]

Which is why they need democracy. It will be hard getting it to work but in the long run things wil settle down.

I havn't seen any pics of saddam that were controversial.

[Channler]

Well, I didn't see any pics but my father said he saw them on the news this morning. I read the article in the paper though.. It was a picture of him washing his clothes in his underwear... and people are pissed over this

[DoomedOne]

[quote=Elongar]I would say (going way, way back to the Sudan part of the topic), that belief is not an excuse for murder. They use it as a reason for themselves, but there is no justification to the vast majority of people who do not follow such beliefs. In that way, we believe it to be wrong, and they believe it to be right, and nobody can do anything about it. For this reason, I would think it unwise to involve religion in international politics, as it could cause disasterous consequences.[/quote]

Extremism in any form creates a bad means. See, the idea is that radicals and extremists, whether they're radcons or revolutionaries or anything, hold a belief that they are right, and that their intentions are sound, so that no matter what their means are achieving their ends, it's justified. This is total BS. Judge not by thought, but by actions. If people simply learned that without good means you cannot have good ends then there would be so much less of this. That is why I am a pacifist, not because I think I'm right but because I may be wrong.

[minque]

I can´t resist replying to this Doomedone...because imo what you just said i agree with and you said it like i would have done if i would have fiound the right words but unfortunately i did not....

[Channler]

[quote=DoomedOne]
Extremism in any form creates a bad means. See, the idea is that radicals and extremists, whether they're radcons or revolutionaries or anything, hold a belief that they are right, and that their intentions are sound, so that no matter what their means are achieving their ends, it's justified. This is total BS. Judge not by thought, but by actions. If people simply learned that without good means you cannot have good ends then there would be so much less of this. That is why I am a pacifist, not because I think I'm right but because I may be wrong.[/quote]

You're basically saying that, the Revolutionary War shouldn't of happened, the Civil War shouldn't of happened, Americas entrance into WW2 shouldn't off happened and many numerous other things.

Being an AGGRESSOR is wrong, retalation is another thing.

EDIT: If it isn't a to touchy subject Minque, could I ask a few questions about your father?

[DoomedOne]

[quote=Channler][quote=DoomedOne]
Extremism in any form creates a bad means. See, the idea is that radicals and extremists, whether they're radcons or revolutionaries or anything, hold a belief that they are right, and that their intentions are sound, so that no matter what their means are achieving their ends, it's justified. This is total BS. Judge not by thought, but by actions. If people simply learned that without good means you cannot have good ends then there would be so much less of this. That is why I am a pacifist, not because I think I'm right but because I may be wrong.[/quote]

You're basically saying that, the Revolutionary War shouldn't of happened, the Civil War shouldn't of happened, Americas entrance into WW2 shouldn't off happened and many numerous other things.

Being an AGGRESSOR is wrong, retalation is another thing.

EDIT: If it isn't a to touchy subject Minque, could I ask a few questions about your father?[/quote]

No I'm not, not at all. When the declaration of Indepence was written, the Brittish Navy was already sending paid mercenaries to bring military control over the colonies and kill revolutionaries. They told the king enough was enough, we're starting our own country, and it was the king whos ent men to fight them. The Civil War really shouldn't have happened. Lincoln provoked the South into secession, not because of slaves but because of difference between economic systems. For WW2, people were ebing slaughtered in Europe. They had to unify with others to fight back against Germany, Italy and Poland. The war was already there, jsut because it hadn't hit the United States doesn't mean they didn't have an obligation to France. (In fact, the first thing the American Soldiers said when they got off the boats into France was, "Lafayette, we are here." It was a delcaration to the French, the other end of the deal perse, since Lafayette lead French troops to aid the Americans during the revolution.)

Long paragraph. If threatend for my life, or if I had a child or a wife, or anyone that closr to me, or life in general, I would fight for the protection of that life to the point of killing the aggressors. It's different, I'm not trying to justify a god damned thing. I'm not trying to make the world a better place, I'm simply trying to protect myself or living things around me.

[minque]

[quote=Channler]



EDIT: If it isn't a to touchy subject Minque, could I ask a few questions about your father?[/quote]

no problems...go ahead!

[Channler]

[quote=DoomedOne]
The Civil War really shouldn't have happened. Lincoln provoked the South into secession, not because of slaves but because of difference between economic systems.[/quote]

lol, I actually agree with you there, save I'm glad the Civil War happened when it did. If it happened 100 years ago there would of been alot more people dead, and undoubtably the US wouldn't be the power that it is today

[quote=DoomedOne]
Long paragraph. If threatend for my life, or if I had a child or a wife, or anyone that closr to me, or life in general, I would fight for the protection of that life to the point of killing the aggressors. It's different, I'm not trying to justify a *&^( ^(%@ thing. I'm not trying to make the world a better place, I'm simply trying to protect myself or living things around me.[/quote]

No need to get angry... But instead of waiting and letting someone go and threaten the ones of love and hold close, I'd rather stop them before they had the chance.

BTW I didn't know about that Layafette thing.. Even if France missed half the war..

[DoomedOne]

Lafayette is a hero and anyone who considers themselves a patriotic American should bear that in mind.

And, we missed like 3/4s of WW2. Does that make Patton one quarter the hero?

[Channler]

[quote=DoomedOne]Lafayette is a hero and anyone who considers themselves a patriotic American should bear that in mind.

And, we missed like 3/4s of WW2. Does that make Patton one quarter the hero?[/quote]

It was a joke buddy, lighten up..

If it weren't for the French we would of possibly lost the war.. Them sinking british ships before they could reach america really helped.

BTW we missed little less than half a WW2.. started in 1939 ended in 1945 we entered in 1941..

[minque]

OK.....now you two please stay nice and calm.....no need to get upset or annoyed ...let´s keep it nice so we can have this thread living....

okay?