QUOTE(Black Hand @ Apr 16 2008, 06:56 PM)
Its incredible how naiive folks are sometimes. China is Americas FRIEND. Very Good friends, as a matter of fact. So long as America benefits economically from a situation, we look the other way. America doesnt care about Human Rights, we've been violating them since 1776.
Of course we got that from the british, who were just in the middle of their human rights violations setting up cash crops in africa, indonesia, india, and china. Which of course uproots local crops, and the product of the cash crops benefits the occupier, not the occupee. In short, the West made all the third world countries.
So now we come to China. Do I think they have committed Human Rights Violations, sure. But they werent the first ones, and wont be the last. And for the rest of us to turn into johnny-come-latelys puffing up our moral chests and say: "He's Right! China, leave Tibet alone goddammit!" Is awfully hypocritical.
Besides, china has a population in excess of one billion, and the strongest economy in the world right now. Like it or not, they are the 800 pound gorilla, so other nations are going to tread lightly around them.
P.S. Sorry 'bout the necromancy on the Weed Legal thread.....
China is certainly not the world's strongest economy. It's been said that China has the greatest potential for economic growth, but there need to be significant changes for that potential to be realized. At the moment, China loses a huge portion of its budget to incredibly inefficient bureaucratic processes (nevermind corruption....). This is a central problem with the system, not China's technological capabilities.
What we are seeing now is that the old generation of Chinese leaders are making way for newer, younger generation, who can see the benefits of injecting a little capitalism into China's neo-Communism. This is a "carrot and stick" kind of government. You dangle the carrot (incentives for labourers, caused by a pro-capitalist shift) in front of the people, and hope they grab it, but any resistance is responded to severely with the stick (Tiananmen Square, Tibet etc.). Pardon the euphemism. Hopefully, with enough use of the carrot, the more forward-looking party members will come to embrace it (similar to Bukharin's support of the New Economic Policy of the Soviet Union in the late 1920s), and a more profound move to capitalism can be made.
Does this mean there is hope for China? Economically, arguably yes, but the oligarchy sitting at the head of China's government will still want to keep hold of power, which creates a difficulty. In Russia, the NEP had to be severely repressed for the full restoration of Communism by Stalin. The reason is that capitalist ideas can be quite profitable for a country with the financial potential Russia had (and China has). It's easy for a government to introduce small elements of capitalism, and then get in the habit of moving more and more in that direction, as a result of the consequential material gains. Then, when enough economic growth has been secured, any move back to more fundamental Communist principals likely faces the opposition of those people who have gained a certain amount of prosperity through capitalism. Thus this proves a threat for the oligarchy. China will be moving far more carefully than Russia did. It's not certain that the Chinese people will get any more freedoms.
With regards to the games, they may prove to be an opportunity for capitalism to manifest itself in China. I also agree with the poster who said that the "clash of cultures" could have positive backlashes in China. I'm not of the opinion that allowing the Chinese to host the games is in any way an endorsement, or "reward" for their slight warming up to the West. My personal opinion is that it is very unlikely that the games themselves could have any significantly negative political
impact on China (although I am aware that the games have had a considerable economic impact), and so it is best to wait and see what happens.