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Thomas Kaira
post Jul 15 2011, 09:17 AM
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I really need to get this off my chest after today's activities, but I want to give it a more private screening before I consider posting it on the BGS board where it will get trolled to Oblivion and back. Since I know everyone here is pretty mature, I'll start here:


This is a debate that has been going on since Oblivion’s release, and continues strong with the impending release of Skyrim. Here is what we know:

-When you first begin, no travel markers will be available.
-Skyrim will feature a carriage service that will allow you to quickly travel to all of the major cities.
-Once you have discovered a location, you can immediately Fast-Travel back whenever you wish.

Essentially, apart from the carriage service, it’s the same system as in Oblivion, with all of the flaws, and believe me, there are a lot (so many, in fact, that I have come to refer to Fast-Travel as Presto-Click Travel Services). Let’s go through them one at a time

To start from the very top, Presto-Click Travel Services defeats the purpose of the carriage system entirely. You just need to use the carriages once, and then you can just Presto-Click your way back. Why even bother providing them if you’re just going to kill off one of your own game mechanics within five minutes of actually starting?

Considering what we saw in Oblivion, Fast-Travel was so easy to exploit that many people (including myself) have come to see it as a cheat. Now, for anyone who may argue “but Bethesda put it in the game, so that means we should use it!” that argument is fatally flawed. By the same logic, I should be able to just go into the command console, type in “TGM,” and play the game permanently invincible because “Bethesda put the command console in the game, so we should use it!” Just because it has been implemented does NOT make it any less of a cheat. But why is it a cheat, to be precise?

Fast-Travel can be used to lug huge amounts of loot far further than you could hope while on foot. All you needed was a few high-strength, low-duration (5 seconds would be enough) Feather spells, a looted dungeon, and Presto-Click travel services. You bring all of the loot outside in waves, then pick up every last bit of it, cast your 5 second Feather spells, Fast-Travel to wherever you want to go, and Presto! You’ve just completely circumvented the encumbrance system! This system is in place to make you THINK about looting dungeons and DECIDE what you want to keep and what you should leave behind. But that is a very clear exploit, so let us instead go to the other, less clear one: Presto-Clicking back and forth multiple times between dungeon and city/home and offloading loot in waves. This is also a circumnavigation of the Encumbrance system. As stated before, the purpose of Encumbrance is to make you think a bit about the loot you recover from dungeons. Essentially, it is there to make you ask two questions: ‘what do I really want’ and ‘what is the most valuable for the least weight’. With Fast-Travel, those questions become irrelevant, because you can just beam back and forth between the dungeon and the cities, collecting anything and everything with a value attached to it, and selling it off. This exploits the Fast-Travel system, and it also exploits the game’s economy. The ONLY reason people do this is because of how incredibly easy and risk-free it is to Fast-Travel. It is a prime example of how people can substitute Fast-Travel for brains, and use Presto-Click Travel Services to remove challenge from the game.

Speaking of removing challenge, Fast travel was very good at that right from the start. Why? It is completely 100% cost-free and risk-free. You click your map, and bingo! There you are, safe and sound, despite the fact that if I made the same trip on foot, I would probably have had a nasty encounter with a troll or two, maybe an ogre. And let’s not forget that Oblivion Gate, either! How is this fair? Why is it that the people who take the longer approach get shafted? This is completely backwards and blatantly out of balance. Not only can you skip the trip, but you can skip EVERY hazard, as well. Now, there will come the argument “I already made the trip on foot once, so why should I have to go through all that again?” To these people, I really have to say go back to playing Call of Duty and Halo Reach. Such linear thinking is in direct conflict to the sandbox approach and dynamic world Bethesda is creating for you here. The world isn’t static, and Fast-Travel, unfortunately, makes the opposite assumption. Stuff happens out on the road that you cannot hope to predict. So why should Fast-Travel allow you to skip past all that? In this case, it is detracting from the overall experience of the game. Why even bother to make a dynamic world if you’re just going to let the player skip past everything after they’ve seen it just one time?

In fact, why bother making such a huge world at all if you’re just going to let the player skip the whole thing? There comes a time in the late game where the player will have explored a large portion of the map and revealed a lot of POIs for him to Presto-Click between. And this is when the idea of the large world really starts to fall over. When you got to that point in Oblivion, it placed such a heavy reliance on the Fast-Travel for its quests that I failed to see the point of why the world was even made so large anymore. All you do is Presto-Click to this place, speak to this guy, Presto-Click to the other side of the friggin map to talk to this guy, then Presto-Click AGAIN to the other side of the map to kill some other dude, and finally you beam yourself back to the other side of the map to finish things off. That’s it; a quest that might have taken an hour (real-time) without Fast-Travel has been completed in five minutes. Why even bother with the huge map if you’re going to push the player so hard to avoid it?

What I am trying to communicate here is that Bethesda placed such a heavy reliance on limitless, instantaneous, risk-free instant-travel in Oblivion that it seriously hurt the experience. I kid you not, the game got SO much better when I stopped using fast-travel altogether.

*Record-scratching*

Wait, what is that I hear? “Don’t like it, don’t use it?” Sorry, but there’s a pretty major flaw in the logic behind this argument: ignoring an issue does not change the fact that it exists. Did Bethesda’s ignoring the Abomb bug change the fact that it was there, and that it destroys people’s profiles to this day? No, so ignoring the fast travel system does not change the fact that it is massively flawed.

What needs to happen is Fast Travel needs to be rebalanced, because in Oblivion, it was essentially a cheat re-classified as a feature. First, let’s look back at previous travel systems, starting with Daggerfall:

Daggerfall: You could fast-travel from anywhere to anywhere, but there was both risk AND cost involved, as well as the need to plan ahead due to time constraints. You had three factors that would determine travel speed, the risk factor (where you would get cut short by being injured), and the amount of gold you paid. The more gold you paid, the less risky the travel, but the more time it would take you to reach your destination.

Morrowind: Fast Travel was restricted to paid services with limited locations. There were many points in the game where you would need to enter the wilderness, where travel services were not offered, and thus you would be forced to walk.

Oblivion: Fast-travel from anywhere to anywhere you’ve previously discovered, with no cost and no risk. For those of you who would argue this same system (minus the need to discover new locations yourself) was in Daggerfall, Daggerfall’s world map was almost twice the size of Great Britain; Oblivion was 16 square miles (4 miles from end-to-end). You decide where such a travel system fits better.

Skyrim needs to change things up with the fast-travel, because as it is, it removes a huge amount of challenge from the game (and please don’t argue against this, if you don’t want to be challenged, just turn your system off and go read a book) and detracts from the overall experience by linear-ifying a game that was not meant to played in a linear style. As such, it is only natural that the travel system has an air of unpredictability about it this time ‘round. For this, we need not look far: there are random encounters that could occasionally interrupt a player’s fast travel, for instance. Then there are the dragons, why not give them the ability to interrupt fast-travel, considering how important they are to the game? Perhaps weather and environmental hazards that would not halt a fast-travel, but simply make it take more game-time (delays, they tend to happen). Or just take the carriage and pay for a nice, safe trip between two cities. And if all else fails, impose hard limits (you can only fast-travel three times per day, or something along those lines). You built the big world, Bethesda now encourage your audience to experience it. Don’t throw it all away like you did with Oblivion and just do the huge world for bragging rights, make your audience experience it to its fullest extent. Isn’t that why you want us to buy the game, after all?


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Thomas Kaira   My thoughts on Fast-Travel   Jul 15 2011, 09:17 AM
mALX   I have never heard anyone say this. You hav...   Jul 15 2011, 04:15 PM
haute ecole rider   TK, while you have a valid gripe, I have to agree ...   Jul 15 2011, 05:08 PM
SubRosa   I like the fast travel system in Oblivion. The gam...   Jul 15 2011, 05:43 PM
Acadian   I am also glad that FT is in the game. Sure, more...   Jul 15 2011, 06:28 PM
mALX   Agreed. I would even like the idea of bringing ba...   Jul 15 2011, 06:41 PM
Thomas Kaira   Why does everyone seem to think I want to remove t...   Jul 15 2011, 08:48 PM
grif11   I think the idea of carriages don't help with ...   Jul 15 2011, 11:13 PM
mALX   I think the idea of carriages don't help with...   Jul 16 2011, 01:50 AM
Thomas Kaira   Well, I have thought about everything you have res...   Jul 16 2011, 04:20 AM
mALX   Well, I have thought about everything you have re...   Jul 16 2011, 04:39 AM
Thomas Kaira   Oh, I would go far beyond that! If I do make ...   Jul 16 2011, 05:35 AM
mALX   Oh, I would go far beyond that! If I do make...   Jul 16 2011, 05:44 AM
Helena   I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, I agree...   Jul 16 2011, 11:50 AM
Thomas Kaira   <snipped> 1. This was sorta how Oblivion ...   Jul 16 2011, 04:11 PM
mALX   [b]mALX: I use Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul in ...   Jul 16 2011, 05:30 PM
mALX   Wait, in the vanilla game Oblivion you cannot fast...   Jul 16 2011, 02:12 PM
Ahrenil   I agree with Helena here, Morrowind did have times...   Jul 16 2011, 02:23 PM
Acadian   I still strongly resist placing limits on the play...   Jul 16 2011, 04:58 PM
mALX   [b]I still strongly resist placing limits on the ...   Jul 16 2011, 05:55 PM
Thomas Kaira   The reason I say it hurts the exploration is becau...   Jul 16 2011, 07:31 PM
mALX   [b]The reason I say it hurts the exploration is b...   Jul 16 2011, 09:02 PM
Kiln   Thomas Kaira, I completely agree with you on most ...   Jul 16 2011, 07:37 PM
Captain Hammer   I actually liked the travel system in Morrowind. I...   Jul 16 2011, 08:09 PM
Thomas Kaira   You have your ways of roleplaying and I have mine....   Jul 17 2011, 12:22 AM
mALX   Try being a parent for a while - where every decis...   Jul 17 2011, 12:55 AM
Thomas Kaira   Exactly, Skyrim is shaping up to be epic, but shal...   Jul 17 2011, 01:03 AM
mALX   Exactly, Skyrim is shaping up to be epic, but sha...   Jul 17 2011, 03:23 AM
Grits   Here’s my view of fast travel in Oblivion. It’s a ...   Jul 17 2011, 03:45 AM
Thomas Kaira   Which is why I am hopeful that Bethesda will keep ...   Jul 17 2011, 03:46 AM
mALX   Which is why I am hopeful that Bethesda will keep...   Jul 17 2011, 03:52 AM
grif11   This is going a bit off topic here, but I hope the...   Jul 17 2011, 10:38 AM
mALX   This is going a bit off topic here, but I hope th...   Jul 17 2011, 03:45 PM
Thomas Kaira   Okay, allow me to finally correct my stance on the...   Jul 23 2011, 01:28 AM
haute ecole rider   One thing I have noticed about fast-travel: The t...   Jul 23 2011, 01:35 AM
Destri Melarg   If I owned a game where one of the features was [...   Jul 26 2011, 10:38 AM
Thomas Kaira   Destri: from a player's perspective, yes, ...   Jul 26 2011, 11:40 AM
Rane   A person creating a five second maximum Feather s...   Jul 26 2011, 02:30 PM
Bolzmania   But then again, I'm expecting none of these im...   Nov 6 2011, 02:14 PM
Thomas Kaira   By the way, if Bethesda is serious about placing a...   Aug 18 2011, 11:16 PM
McBadgere   If it wasn't for Fast Travel my wife nor my tw...   Oct 22 2011, 07:27 PM
TheBrume   I agree with you 90% I wouldn't go so far as ...   Oct 25 2011, 06:32 PM


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