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[DoomedOne]

The new topic is Nationalism, Patriotism and the Pledge of Allegiance.

[Dantrag]

I think patriotism is good; I'm full of it, but I don't blind myself by agreeing with everything the leaders of my country do. I think part of partiotism is disagreeing and trying to make your country a better place to live.

On the Pledge of Allegiance; I haven't had to say it since elementary school (and then I didn't know what it meant). I don't see a problem with it; I mean, if you don't agree with what the leaders are doing, doesn't mean you should be disloyal to the country. The leaders change every now and then, and you can be loyal to your country by voting for who you think would be a better leader. So I will gladly say the Pledge of Allegiance when I need to say it next.

This post has been edited by Dantrag: Jan 10 2006, 11:06 PM

[DoomedOne]

I strongly believe that at its center the Earth is made up of one people, and that we have to stand for our fellow man as a whole, and stand up for the right and equality of all men of all creeds, and patriotism tends to obscure that, making it seems like its "this coutnry frist, the rest of the world later."

How do you define patriotism, because I want to influence this country some day (through activism, as a public speaker) and I feel like this is the country I was born in, this is where I make my stand, and stand for the rights of the people here. Is that patriotism? That I am loyal to the people, not the government?

[Dantrag]

I strongly believe that at its center the Earth is made up of one people, and that we have to stand for our fellow man as a whole, and stand up for the right and equality of all men of all creeds, and patriotism tends to obscure that, making it seems like its "this coutnry frist, the rest of the world later."

How do you define patriotism, because I want to influence this country some day (through activism, as a public speaker) and I feel like this is the country I was born in, this is where I make my stand, and stand for the rights of the people here.  Is that patriotism?  That I am loyal to the people, not the government?

If you asked me, I would say that you have to do it that way. ( 'this country first, the rest of the world later', that is.) You can't just expect to change the world with a wave of your hand; it has to start somewhere and spread. Though making the world a better place should be the goal. I would change your statement from - "this country first, the world later" to "this country, screw al others." The last one seems to be what a lot of Americans think, unfortunately.

I think that is exactly what patriotism is; being loyal to the people. In this country, aren't the people supposed to be the main priority? It might not be, but it is supposed to. In this country, loyalties to the government change all the time with new elections, new mistakes some leader makes, the way a leader handles a situation....etc. I think patriotism is wanting to make the government so that it supports the people; meaning that patriotism is being loyal to the people.

To sum it up, I agree with the second paragraph, and some of the first.

[DoomedOne]

Right, and I think that they can't simply go one country first, the rest later, because we live in a global economy even if we still technically have borders, economics at their core is gathering food and water, a core piece of society, trying to fix thing in one country these days is just trying to fix one collection of ports before going to all the other collection of ports.

I still see what you're saying though, were I in charge of this nation, for instance, I could make life more equal in this country right away, while it'd take more time to make the people equal in other, more resistant countries. I would still start the process at the same time.

[Channler]

I still see what you're saying though, were I in charge of this nation, for instance, I could make life more equal in this country right away, while it'd take more time to make the people equal in other, more resistant countries.  I would still start the process at the same time.

Just out of curiosity... How would you make the US (or really any nation) more equal..

I thought of a solution (kinda stole it from the Warcraft Books), but as long as people exist, I can't see complete social equality.

Now, thats not to say that all men and women don't deserve it. But should someone who refuses to take responsibility that is entitled to them, deserve to stand with those that have found the cure for cancer?

If you mean that equality, I'd suggest looking at the bible O_o

[minque]

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