Abortion, Legal or Illiegal, poll and debate? Options

[King Death]

I personally feel that abortion no matter what the circumtances are is wrong. If it were to danger the mother's life then i wouldn't condemn her if she did have an abortion, but I still feel that an inocent baby should have a chance to live.

And to the whole poor living conditions you can always put him/her up for adoption.

But all i have to say is this, if hate the idea of being a mother so much that you would kill to prevent it, DON'T HAVE SEX!

[Slayer of Cliffracers]

Why do I keep repeating the same arguments? Beacause you (the pro-choice crowd) consistantly fail to answer them, preffering to dodge the issue by discussing poverty, as though this is of relevance to a discussion about whether abortion is murder. When you do try to argue your case, I refute them with an argument of my own, as I am entitled to do I a debate. That you cannot respond to attacks on the coherancy of your arguments is your problem, not mine and it's no reason to accuse me of bieng dis-respectful just beacause you cannot logically protect your arguments against attack. And don't fall back on the "you don't have the life experiance to discuss abortion", it's just a clever cop-out from having to answer me with an argument. It is also not fair to criticise people on how "we have too much conviction", just beacause you cannot produce arguments that you can protect against even the most basic attacks is as I said your problem, when you cannot give arguments strong enough to sow doubt on our position, you can hardely be suprised.

The truth is that either abortion is murder, or it is not. If it is murder then all the other topics of debate, are hence irrelavent in either legalising it or banning it, it should be banned on principle. If it is not murder then this debate is more or less irrelavent, unless someone can come up with argument why abortion should be illiegal, for reasons other than it bieng murder. Our job is to give arguments why abortion is murder and rebuff your arguments, yours is to give argument of why it is not murder and rebuff our arguments. Arguing about the other topics, such as poverty, freedoms and so on, is only relevant if abortion is not murder, hence you can only argue from your veiwpoint, ie abortion is not murder, which explains why we consistantly keep coming back to the abortion is murder topic (our veiwpoint) and you keep trying to drag us into debates that are only relevant if your postion is correct. Try to prove the initial base of your argument (abortion is not murder) is correct through debate, before anything else, it would greatly improve the atmosphere in this forum.

This post has been edited by Slayer of Cliffracers: Aug 6 2005, 11:08 AM

[Burnt Sierra]

Right, I've had enough of this. The argument is not as black and white as you're making it out to be. I've asked you to stop insulting others opinions. You did it again. I asked you to stop making the same posts, repeating the same thing over and over again. Guess what? You ignored me. Fine, this topic is now locked, please do not start a new one.