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Wurlon
So after you collect, mod and do all the books and such, what will they be worth? I just remembered that books in morrowind had varied prices, from 25-1000 gold I believe. And I wanted to know are you guys going to price them all equally or by length?As I don't want a person next to me with a two page story have a book worth 225 gold where mine is a five page story worth 75, get the picture?

Just a curious thought/question/interrogation. blink.gif
Stargazey
QUOTE(Wurlon @ Sep 4 2005, 09:32 PM)
So after you collect, mod and do all the books and such, what will they be worth? I just remembered that books in morrowind had varied prices, from 25-1000 gold I believe. And I wanted to know are you guys going to price them all equally or by length?As I don't want a person next to me with a two page story have a book worth 225 gold where mine is a five page story worth 75, get the picture?

Just a curious thought/question/interrogation.  blink.gif
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Well, as the books are heretic, rare, and one of a kind, they will likely be very, very, very, VERY valuable. Probably 10,000+ gold.
Wurlon
QUOTE(Stargazey @ Sep 4 2005, 04:52 PM)
Well, as the books are heretic, rare, and one of a kind, they will likely be very, very, very, VERY valuable. Probably 10,000+ gold.
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Now we all know everyone is going to sell my cruddy books, if they get in, for cash dry.gif
stargate525
QUOTE(Stargazey @ Sep 4 2005, 05:52 PM)
Well, as the books are heretic, rare, and one of a kind, they will likely be very, very, very, VERY valuable. Probably 10,000+ gold.
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so they are priceless, which makes them worthless in effect. I personally wouldn't go for anything more than 2k, otherwise we could completely unbalance the game if the player made it out with a stack of 10,000 books.
Stargazey
QUOTE(Wurlon @ Sep 4 2005, 10:00 PM)
Now we all know everyone is going to sell my cruddy books, if they get in, for cash  dry.gif
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Well, we can make your books worth 0 gold. wink.gif

QUOTE(stargate525 @ Sep 4 2005, 10:21 PM)
so they are priceless, which makes them worthless in effect. I personally wouldn't go for anything more than 2k, otherwise we could completely unbalance the game if the player made it out with a stack of 10,000 books.
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Well, if you found a book that exposed the Emperor's homosexual love life, it would be worth a lot of gold, to the right people.

Do you get my meaning?
Wurlon
QUOTE(Stargazey @ Sep 4 2005, 05:24 PM)
Well, we can make your books worth 0 gold. wink.gif
Well, if you found a book that exposed the Emperor's homosexual love life, it would be worth a lot of gold, to the right people.

Do you get my meaning?
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Erm someone wrote about that?
Forrest_Roberts
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Erm someone wrote about that?


If they did,it was probably,hopefully,edited out.

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Now we all know everyone is going to sell my cruddy books, if they get in, for cash


We can mod to where if you attempt to sell such a heretical book,then you would be arrested. Or if you never returned a book to the library (Say if you miss the dealine),then you would be continuosly fined until you returned the book.

Stargazey
QUOTE(Wurlon @ Sep 4 2005, 10:36 PM)
Erm someone wrote about that?
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Well, no, not yet.


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Red
Stargazy, you've given me an increadable idea. tongue.gif
raithen
QUOTE(Forrest_Roberts @ Sep 4 2005, 11:57 PM)
We can mod to where if you attempt to sell such a heretical book,then you would be arrested. Or if you never returned a book to the library (Say if you miss the dealine),then you would be continuosly fined until you returned the book.
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Or the NPC you are trying to sell the book oo would simply not buy it and say something along the lines of, "What?! Are you kidding me? I'm not buying THAT! It's illegal. If I was found within possesion of that book, I would be arrested! You should get rid of that before you are found out." That way, we could put the worth of the books as '10,000' septims, making them seem extremly valuble, but you wouldn't be able sell the books.
Also, I like the idea of fining someone. But what happens when they don't have enough money to pay off the fine? Then let's send assasins! cool.gif
Stargazey
QUOTE(Red @ Sep 5 2005, 02:44 PM)
Stargazy, you've given me an increadable idea. tongue.gif
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Hehe. That's what I'm here for. happy.gif

QUOTE(raithen @ Sep 5 2005, 04:21 PM)
Or the NPC you are trying to sell the book  oo would simply not buy it and say something along the lines of, "What?! Are you kidding me? I'm not buying THAT! It's illegal. If I was found within possesion of that book, I would be arrested! You should get rid of that before you are found out." That way, we could put the worth of the books as '10,000' septims, making them seem extremly valuble, but you wouldn't be able sell the books.
Also, I like the idea of fining someone. But what happens when they don't have enough money to pay off the fine? Then let's send assasins! cool.gif
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Raithen, I like the way you think. It scares me, but I like the way you think.
Wurlon
Here's an idea, you check out the books (or just take them from the shelves, as it automatically goes into a magical book-check list thingy that the statue of Troika has) and if you don't return it in seven days they send an assassin who says you need to pay 2000 gold, or kill him. Then every day after that day the amount of assassin that come grow at an exponetial rate, so sooner or later you'll have 12 assassins banging at your door. Oh and after two weeks of not paying you have to pay 10,000. My advice? read the books in the library mellow.gif

In fact , you could have it so if you pick up a book and walk the whole place becomes filled with flin crazied nord assassins.
Troika
If I remember correctly, at an appropriately high merchant level, you will be able to trade with almost any character in the game who has a neutral or positive disposition towards you... if that's true, then maybe the books would be worth something only to ther scholarly characters... But if you aren't able to set the value of items independently for different characters, that idea goes up in flames... so... erm... cookies...
raithen
QUOTE(Wurlon @ Sep 5 2005, 09:00 PM)
Here's an idea, you check out the books (or just take them from the shelves, as it automatically goes into a magical book-check list thingy that the statue of Troika has) and if you don't return it in seven days they send an assassin who says you need to pay 2000 gold, or kill him. Then every day after that day the amount of assassin that come grow at an exponetial rate, so sooner or later you'll have 12 assassins banging at your door. Oh and after two weeks of not paying you have to pay 10,000. My advice? read the books in the library mellow.gif

In fact , you could have it so if you pick up a book and walk the whole place becomes filled with flin crazied nord assassins.
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Would a library realy be in possesion of that many assasins?


Up in flames, you say, Troika. Up in flames... hubbahubba.gif
Wurlon
QUOTE(raithen @ Sep 6 2005, 11:47 AM)
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Would a library realy be in possesion of that many assasins?
Up in flames, you say, Troika. Up in flames... hubbahubba.gif
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Hey are you guys going to put a fireplace in the library? It might need some heat to keep the frost out of the books:P I LUV FIRE
stargate525
QUOTE(Wurlon @ Sep 5 2005, 05:00 PM)
Here's an idea, you check out the books (or just take them from the shelves, as it automatically goes into a magical book-check list thingy that the statue of Troika has) and if you don't return it in seven days they send an assassin who says you need to pay 2000 gold, or kill him. Then every day after that day the amount of assassin that come grow at an exponetial rate, so sooner or later you'll have 12 assassins banging at your door. Oh and after two weeks of not paying you have to pay 10,000. My advice? read the books in the library mellow.gif

In fact , you could have it so if you pick up a book and walk the whole place becomes filled with flin crazied nord assassins.
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I could probably get seomeone to figure out a script that 'checks' your inventory for books when you leave, and automatically puts them back.

then we have to worry about teleportation...

or we could just have guards at the entrance, set to attack if you are within range and have a book on you..
Stargazey
QUOTE(stargate525 @ Sep 6 2005, 10:53 PM)
I could probably get seomeone to figure out a script that 'checks' your inventory for books when you leave, and automatically puts them back.

then we have to worry about teleportation...

or we could just have guards at the entrance, set to attack if you are within range and have a book on you..
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Could we have a script where naked Bosmer men attack you with bows?

Because....that'd be awesome. cool.gif
stargate525
QUOTE(Stargazey @ Sep 6 2005, 08:23 PM)
Could we have a script where naked Bosmer men attack you with bows?

Because....that'd be awesome. cool.gif
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blink.gif now we're just being silly.
Troika
I expect it should be possible to make the library a non-teleporting zone... as one of its security features to make sure it remains hidden...
stargate525
QUOTE(Troika @ Sep 8 2005, 12:22 PM)
I expect it should be possible to make the library a non-teleporting zone... as one of its security features to make sure it remains hidden...
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or we could not tel them and make a horrible thing happen.... viking.gif

(such a cool emoticon)
Wurlon
Or you could just make it so the door (activator to go outside) does not work when one of the books in your inventory. About the naked bosmer, you'll have to remind them to be quiet in the library, as they talk a lot.
Jaeld Alteir
My vote is for a system like the no teleporting, guards at the door (even if that "guard" is just someone at the front desk) who will lock the door if you have Library books in your possession.

However, in order to cater to the freeform TES world, while it should be DIFFICULT to steal books from the Library, it shouldn't be impossible. Maybe there's another key in the Librarian's office, and if you could steal that and sneak past the guards, you're home free.

And as much as I love assassins, it's probably not really in the Library's spirit of free inquiry to hunt down & kill someone for taking a book...that's why we have copies in the Vault. ;)
stargate525
QUOTE(Jaeld Alteir @ Nov 14 2005, 08:50 AM)
My vote is for a system like the no teleporting, guards at the door (even if that "guard" is just someone at the front desk) who will lock the door if you have Library books in your possession.

However, in order to cater to the freeform TES world, while it should be DIFFICULT to steal books from the Library, it shouldn't be impossible.  Maybe there's another key in the Librarian's office, and if you could steal that and sneak past the guards, you're home free.

And as much as I love assassins, it's probably not really in the Library's spirit of free inquiry to hunt down & kill someone for taking a book...that's why we have copies in the Vault. ;)
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yes, but if he's in the library and gets a book out, that's a serious breach of security.
The Wolf
QUOTE(Jaeld Alteir @ Nov 14 2005, 04:50 PM)
My vote is for a system like the no teleporting, guards at the door (even if that "guard" is just someone at the front desk) who will lock the door if you have Library books in your possession.

However, in order to cater to the freeform TES world, while it should be DIFFICULT to steal books from the Library, it shouldn't be impossible.  Maybe there's another key in the Librarian's office, and if you could steal that and sneak past the guards, you're home free.

And as much as I love assassins, it's probably not really in the Library's spirit of free inquiry to hunt down & kill someone for taking a book...that's why we have copies in the Vault. ;)
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In my opinion, if someone would be able to steal one (or more) book/s, he wouldn't be allowed to return to the library without paying fines or fighting.
Troika
What about if The Librarian mentions to the PC that all the books s/he sees in the Library are actually not the originals, as many were too badly damaged/fragile/valuable, so instead they are all transcribed versions, and The Librarian has an even more secret location where the originals are kept... Thus making sure that the value of the books needn't be too high, as they are copies, and making sure we don't need to put in too many security features...
Jaeld Alteir
QUOTE(Troika @ Nov 15 2005, 01:29 PM)
...so instead they are all transcribed versions, and The Librarian has an even more secret location where the originals are kept... Thus making sure that the value of the books needn't be too high, as they are copies, and making sure we don't need to put in too many security features...
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Heh...the simple, "less work for us" answer...I like it.

After all, the reason we founded this Library is so this knowledge that would otherwise be lost can be circulated to future generations instead. If someone wants to take a book out into the world and share it with others, they're welcome to do so if they can avoid the execution block with it. ;) We'll just make a new copy.
Ola Martin
You could just make the books so heavy you can't pick'em up, only read them...
WillyBubba
So far, in Oblivion, the most valuabvle book I've seen was only worth 200-300 septims. Most books are worth consiberably less, around 25. The rare book 4 of Mankar Camoran's Commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes is only valued at 80. So I'd say we could probably just keep similar pricing. SO far, skill books range from 200-300 and all other books are about 25, but we could vary as we see fit of course.
Ibis
So what was Red's fantastic idea???

wacko.gif
Phsyron
i really need to keep my nose out of sections of the forum i'm not really interested in... but it's really... early actually. whoooo 5 AM!!!

anyway, if this is such an all-powerful library, why can't they make thier books, just, not leave? just that simple. the books are enchanted. you can't leave with one. don't like it, tough. that's your problem. can't leave 100 points on you, constant effect.

imma go snifff pretzle dust and sleep now.

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QUOTE(Wurlon)
Or you could just make it so the door (activator to go outside) does not work when one of the books in your inventory. About the naked bosmer, you'll have to remind them to be quiet in the library, as they talk a lot.


oops didn't see that... it was 5 o'clock in the morning, sheesh! stop making fun of me! blink.gif
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