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Red
Aye aye Stargazey, I shall create riddles until my brain hurts.
stargate525
QUOTE(Stargazey @ Aug 24 2005, 10:07 AM)
Sure, make up a few.
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I'll see if I can get some riddles too. Also, I want to have the statues give a history of their founder. Generic voice, the voice of whoever the founder is, or just text?

Onto Easter eggs!

Since we're on the subject of statues, I was thinking that we have five items scattered around the library, four busts of people and some other generic item, when you place the busts together and activate the item, they go 'haunted mansion' on you! (for those of you who have never been on the ride or seen the movie, they take the last thing someone around them says and turns it into a barbershop quartet song. very funny.)

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That's what I'm talking about! Also, if there was a secret, secret roo, that could be opened by a riddle.

there could easily be a number of riddles as security in the vault hallway. I want that room to be the hardest, most difficult room to get into that the fans of TES have ever seen!
Stargazey
QUOTE(Red @ Aug 24 2005, 03:03 PM)
Aye aye Stargazey, I shall create riddles until my brain hurts.
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This ^ is what I'm talking about.

QUOTE(stargate525 @ Aug 25 2005, 02:54 AM)
I'll see if I can get some riddles too. Also, I want to have the statues give a history of their founder. Generic voice, the voice of whoever the founder is, or just text?

Onto Easter eggs!

Since we're on the subject of statues, I was thinking that we have five items scattered around the library, four busts of people and some other generic item, when you place the busts together and activate the item, they go 'haunted mansion' on you! (for those of you who have never been on the ride or seen the movie, they take the last thing someone around them says and turns it into a barbershop quartet song. very funny.)
there could easily be a number of riddles as security in the vault hallway. I want that room to be the hardest, most difficult room to get into that the fans of TES have ever seen!
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Sounds good to me. All of it.
stargate525
QUOTE(Stargazey @ Aug 24 2005, 11:55 PM)
This ^ is what I'm talking about.
Sounds good to me. All of it.
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oh good. Now then, its yyour guy's decision wether the statues will actually talk, or if they'll just subtitle it all.
Red
Ok, I have four riddles done, so if you want to see them, PM me. Well, off to write more riddles.
Wurlon
You could create a giant lake in the middle of the forest, but put a super tall hill on the one side so if you swim in there will be a giant cave like entrance, in which the library would be. Kind of ironic since we don't want our books wet, but it's a game tongue.gif

Edit: Actually I must say I'm impressed, I tried a simple mod to wall off raven rock using plain copying and it ended in disaster. If your able to do what you've said I'd consider you an unofficial developer. I wish I had joined this forum sooner, but at least I already entered my story..... redwizardsmile.gif
stargate525
QUOTE(Wurlon @ Aug 27 2005, 11:19 AM)
You could create a giant lake in the middle of the forest, but put a super tall hill on the one side so if you swim in there will be a giant cave like entrance, in which the library would be. Kind of ironic since we don't want our books wet, but it's a game tongue.gif

Edit: Actually I must say I'm impressed, I tried a simple mod to wall off raven rock using plain copying and it ended in disaster. If your able to do what you've said I'd consider you an unofficial developer. I wish I had joined this forum sooner, but at least I already entered my story..... redwizardsmile.gif
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sorry, it's already decided in a city. Also, I am by no means the best interior designer.
Wurlon
QUOTE(stargate525 @ Aug 27 2005, 03:17 PM)
sorry, it's already decided in a city. Also, I am by no means the best interior designer.
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Heh don't be sorry I'm the goof that didn't read all the posts blink.gif
stargate525
QUOTE(Wurlon @ Aug 27 2005, 07:38 PM)
Heh don't be sorry I'm the goof that didn't read all the posts  blink.gif
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yeah ya goof. biggrin.gif
Wurlon
QUOTE(stargate525 @ Aug 29 2005, 02:43 PM)
yeah ya goof. biggrin.gif
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verysad.gif

Offtopic.....
Hukai The Wandering
GRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! What about the idea many people said? Have an absolutely huge center room for the library the give it a sense of grandness instead of skinny hallways that make you feel like not-supossed-to-be.......Nevermind..... kvright.gif
stargate525
QUOTE(Hukai The Wandering @ Sep 6 2005, 10:17 PM)
GRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! What about the idea many people said? Have an absolutely huge center room for the library the give it a sense of grandness instead of skinny hallways that make you feel like not-supossed-to-be.......Nevermind..... kvright.gif
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A. FPS
B. It wil be 'grand' alright
C. Order is best acheived via individual sections. I never did say what those would look like did I? I want it to be a surprise.
Jonajosa
Ok guys. Nows the time to start actually putting all those plans we made to use.

As we know the game will most likely be released about a week or two... or three after the Xbox360 is released. So we should use this time to pick a city or town to put it in.

We have pics of most of the citys in ES4 Oblivion from this thread- http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.p...=0#entry2929549

and based on some of the architecture in the game i'd say... The library would look good in Anvil or in Leyawiin.

Anvil

http://www.pcgames.de/screenshots/original...VFGoiyc12F7.jpg

http://tes.ag.ru/oblivion/artwork/shots/tes4ag23.jpg


Leyawiin

http://tes.ag.ru/oblivion/artwork/shots/tes4ag08.jpg


The towns style look snice and I think that the library (even though it may be underground) would look nice there.

minque
I usually do not say that much in this section, I think you all have very good ideas so I just read with pleasure.

Now Ive looked over those screenshots from the Cyrodiil-cities...and my favourite is Chorrol, even though the others look nice as well.

My suggestion is to locate the library in Chorrol..


My 2 cents
vaanic~one
I'm still going for putting it in the Imperial city itself, it's the busiest looking city so far, and I think the whole idea of the library would fit in much better in a "busy" city.
stargate525
QUOTE(Jonajosa @ Oct 16 2005, 01:15 AM)
Ok guys. Nows the time to start actually putting all those plans we made to use.
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MUST you remind me that the time is approaching when I actually have to DO something?
Wurlon
Wait, the PC version of Oblivion comes out after xbox 360? Oh crap I never finished my poetry book CRAP I forgot...... oh god.....
Hukai The Wandering
Yeah, I forgot all about "The Forgotton Tales" untill a couple of days ago...don't deadlines suck? anyway, i vote for Chorrol(sp?).
Forrest_Roberts
The library was outlawed. It would not make sense to put it in everbody's sight in a big city.

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I'm still going for putting it in the Imperial city itself, it's the busiest looking city so far, and I think the whole idea of the library would fit in much better in a "busy" city.
vaanic~one
QUOTE(Forrest_Roberts @ Oct 29 2005, 11:09 PM)
The library was outlawed. It would not make sense to put it in everbody's sight in a big city.
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Yeah, I know that. I don't remember mentioning putting it in full view of everyone.

Hide it. Well.
Jonajosa
QUOTE(stargate525 @ Oct 18 2005, 06:47 PM)
MUST you remind me that the time is approaching when I actually have to DO something?
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Yes. Yes I must.
vaanic~one
QUOTE(stargate525 @ Oct 18 2005, 11:47 PM)
MUST you remind me that the time is approaching when I actually have to DO something?
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Haha, you can stop panicking, sort of.

Since I presume you've heard about this delay issue, I'll say that you may just have a few more months on your hands.
stargate525
QUOTE(vaanic~one @ Nov 4 2005, 02:14 PM)
Haha, you can stop panicking, sort of. 

Since I presume you've heard about this delay issue, I'll say that you may just have a few more months on your hands.
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I heard about it a whole ten minutes ago, actually, and am somewhat annoyed.
raithen
QUOTE(stargate525 @ Nov 4 2005, 10:31 PM)
I heard about it a whole ten minutes ago, actually, and am somewhat annoyed.
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*evil laugh*
Now you are all degraded down to the "raithen-level", which is essentially "rock-bottom".
I won't be playing the game for a whole two years from now, so there! devilsmile.gif

... And just out of curiosity, what will the interior of the library look like? You can't keep the details from us forever, stargate!
stargate525
QUOTE(raithen @ Nov 5 2005, 09:11 PM)
*evil laugh*
Now you are all degraded down to the "raithen-level", which is essentially "rock-bottom".
I won't be playing the game for a whole two years from now, so there! devilsmile.gif

... And just out of curiosity, what will the interior of the library look like? You can't keep the details from us forever, stargate!
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you're right, I can't. You'll know as soon as I do*, I promise.



*meaning after rifling through the CS for a few hours putzing around, after playing for about a week.
Jaeld Alteir
QUOTE(jonajosa @ Jun 4 2005, 09:48 PM)
I think there should be some sort of eating area. It doesn't have to be big just enought to fit all the NCP workers in the library. I think the radiant AI make the game NCPs eat... so if we made NCPs with our names in the game we would have to have a place for them to eat in the library.
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Ermm...they wouldn't necessarily have to eat IN the library. We could simply schedule them to close the "Front Office" shop for lunch and wander down to the local tavern. Half the time they would need to go GET food from somewhere anyway, and wasting even more space for storerooms in a library or something would seem even sillier. It seems a little odd for a place like the Tes F'ruum library to devote space to an eating area that could be better used to stack up massive collections of books. wink.gif

I love the concept of a tiny printers' shop tucked into the end of a little-used alleyway serving as a front, since the whole point of this library is to have it accessible yet hidden. (no point in preserving this knowledge if everyone who tries to come read it gets eaten by minotaurs while trying to find us in the wilderness or something wink.gif ) And a book-related shop with a few actual customers would be a reasonable way to sift around for people worthy of being shown the Library. So I certainly agree with the Dictatorial Decision. smile.gif

But, in that same vein, I think we need to keep it fairly focused as a Library. A dormitory for some permanent staff if necessary, yes, but the aforementioned dining hall, no. Reading rooms, stacks, more stacks, maybe some extra-secret stacks, maybe a old-book restoration lab. A special section (even if only a shelf, depending on how prolific they are) for the personal writings of the Librarian and perhaps the other Founders, if they ever churn out enough stuff. But try to keep it just a library, not a city in its own right...
Jaeld Alteir
QUOTE(Forrest_Roberts @ Oct 29 2005, 06:09 PM)
The library was outlawed. It would not make sense to put it in everbody's sight in a big city.
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Right, but I worry that the smaller cities (i.e. the cities that aren't the Imperial City) might be a bit more spread out...most of the buildings standing individually, that sort of thing. Harder to hide a small printer's shop at the end of an alley.

We need somewhere dense enough that you'd never even really notice the addition of a building or another entrance off of an alley. The best place to hide something is wherever there's already the most OTHER stuff to hide amongst. I imagine the guards in the Imperial City would have plenty of better things to worry about, while those in a smaller city might get around to checking in with EVERY shopkeep every now and then...
stargate525
QUOTE(Jaeld Alteir @ Nov 13 2005, 10:56 AM)
Ermm...they wouldn't necessarily have to eat IN the library.  We could simply schedule them to close the "Front Office" shop for lunch and wander down to the local tavern.  Half the time they would need to go GET food from somewhere anyway, and wasting even more space for storerooms in a library or something would seem even sillier.  It seems a little odd for a place like the Tes F'ruum library to devote space to an eating area that could be better used to stack up massive collections of books. wink.gif

I love the concept of a tiny printers' shop tucked into the end of a little-used alleyway serving as a front, since the whole point of this library is to have it accessible yet hidden.  (no point in preserving this knowledge if everyone who tries to come read it gets eaten by minotaurs while trying to find us in the wilderness or something wink.gif )  And a book-related shop with a few actual customers would be a reasonable way to sift around for people worthy of being shown the Library.  So I certainly agree with the Dictatorial Decision. smile.gif

But, in that same vein, I think we need to keep it fairly focused as a Library.  A dormitory for some permanent staff if necessary, yes, but the aforementioned dining hall, no.  Reading rooms, stacks, more stacks, maybe some extra-secret stacks, maybe a old-book restoration lab.  A special section (even if only a shelf, depending on how prolific they are) for the personal writings of the Librarian and perhaps the other Founders, if they ever churn out enough stuff.  But try to keep it just a library, not a city in its own right...
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I used to have alist of all the different sections... I remember having a preservation room (no it does not make delicious jams and jellies), a dormitory (I was thinking a few small apartment-like things), and a Librarian's Apartment (bigger, probably the front office's second story).
Ola Martin
I would like it locked down, way below the imperial city, and be sure not to let any other people get there, only us.
WillyBubba
Well, I've been away for quite awhile, visiting the great cities of Cyrodiil and the horrible realm, of Oblivion. After playing for two weeks now, I'd have to suggest the Black Horse Courier or the First Edition in the Imperial City as the location of our building, as fronts. We could then just add an NPC and some dialogue, as well as a secret entrance somewhere.

Of course, we could then just make our own building all-together. Only about 3 or 4 bookstores exist in Cyrodiil, so there are some cities that we could open a new bookstore in. There are also some places, while hidden in the wilderness, are small churches or cathedrals that might make good locations for a secret library.


Well, I'm back and ready to contribute, though I have to work around La Crosse, learning Latin dance, and school, but I think I'll find time to edit soem stuff if somebody needs some of that done. Cheers Tes F'Ruum members! ~ WB
Troika
I've been playing with the CS for a few hours now (horribly slow progress), and just playing around in the CS has given me a slew of ideas... Let me know what you think of them.

1. Like WillyBubba suggested, we use the First Edition in the IC. Placing an heretical library right under the emperor's nose seems quite fitting.

2. We change as little in the original game world as possible. If someone has the mod installed, but isn't actually looking for the library, there isn't a chance that they'd just stumble upon it.

The Library be a mixture of sewer and ayleid, connected with cave. This is probably the most radical idea I had, and I'd just like to explain. The white and gold tower was built by the early ayleids, and apparently the rest of their constructions in this area were destroyed... what if they were simply just built on top of? And there must be miles of disused sewers beneath the IC, and the two could be easily connected together... With warm lighting and some clever furnishing, they could be made to feel really quite homely... if all goes well, I should be able to give you a small demo cell in a few days.

So, the main idea is this... We place a book in an ayleid ruin (new texture, with the familiar elven tree logo) that when picked up, is old elvish, and you can't read it. A quest window pops up and suggests taking it to a book store, suggesting that it could have some new information about the ayleids, or just be worth a lot of money. You go to the First edition and talk to the guy there, and he tells you that, taking a wquick look at what's written there, you could have unearthed texts that portray the empire to have been much more savage in their takeover of Cyrodiil than first thought, and warns you that such a book could get you in a LOT of trouble. If you reply positively to this comment (suggesting you don't mind a little bit of herecy), the vendor then gives you access to the library... The access being via his basement. The hanging lamp down there would be an activator, that, if you are carrying a special quill given to you by the vendor, can transport you to the library.

Well, that's what I came up with when I started playing about... let me know what you think...
vaanic~one
QUOTE(Troika @ Apr 28 2006, 11:41 AM)
[snip]
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Sounds great to me!

EDIT: I've quickly done a mock up for a room of the library in the sewers (the room shape was perfect!) and I'd like to show it in 5 pics:

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I wasn't sure where you'd put the actual library itself - So I'm intending to do mockups for your cave and Ayleid ruin parts as well.

It would be cool if we could get someone to do a retex of that sewer room mesh to make it look Ayleidic or perhaps something else.

Also, I've got some pictures of the Imperial Palace Library - do you think we could use it's meshes in any way?:

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brgenerator
I'd be happy with having it as some kind of Ayleid sewer, yeah. Good idea.

Just out of interest, when it comes to the placement of the library itself, will the different books still be in different rooms? i.e. will there be other rooms off the main one for different genres of books (As was the idea in the orig. plan if i remember correctly).
Troika
Getting the mock-up finished up, and concentrating mainly on the main entrance hall, which has the Librarian's office to the side, and the connecting tunnel to the sewer at the moment... It's actually pretty large, so I'll concentrate mainly on just getting a few corners finished, so you can get a feel for how it looks in terms of lighting and furnishing... the high ceilings of the ayleid set make it feel really strange, as there's so much space left unused...
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