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King Of Beasts
Don't question my beliefs nono.gif

And don't go all science guy on me tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:49 PM) *

Don't question my beliefs nono.gif

And don't go all science guy on me tongue.gif


Okay then, I'll give you a non-science reason whi a zombie apocalypse is impossible:

There have been far too many movies, books, and videogames about them for anyone to be dumb enough to try fiddling around with that sort of thing tongue.gif
Colonel Mustard
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 05:52 PM) *
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:49 PM) *

Don't question my beliefs nono.gif

And don't go all science guy on me tongue.gif


Okay then, I'll give you a non-science reason whi a zombie apocalypse is impossible:

There have been far too many movies, books, and videogames about them for anyone to be dumb enough to try fiddling around with that sort of thing tongue.gif

Hehe, it's true. I'm beginning to hope for a zombie movie about an outbreak that gets stamped out because everyone is too genre savvy for the end of the world.
King Of Beasts
Ahem. Read This.

I can give you plenty of more proof it's a POSSIBILITY. tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(Colonel Mustard @ Jan 3 2014, 05:54 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 05:52 PM) *
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:49 PM) *

Don't question my beliefs nono.gif

And don't go all science guy on me tongue.gif


Okay then, I'll give you a non-science reason whi a zombie apocalypse is impossible:

There have been far too many movies, books, and videogames about them for anyone to be dumb enough to try fiddling around with that sort of thing tongue.gif

Hehe, it's true. I'm beginning to hope for a zombie movie about an outbreak that gets stamped out because everyone is too genre savvy for the end of the world.


Now that would be hilarious. It'd have to be an action comedy of course, but still... rollinglaugh.gif

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:55 PM) *

Ahem. Read This.

I can give you plenty of more proof it's a POSSIBILITY. tongue.gif


Ahem, from that article, when they're talking about rabies:

"Now if only it kept the corpse walking around"

This is the big hurdle that you can't really cross. You've got to fundamentally rewrite biology to allow dead cells to continue to function, without anything to sustain them. It just can't happen.
Vital
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 4 2014, 05:00 AM) *

QUOTE(Colonel Mustard @ Jan 3 2014, 05:54 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 05:52 PM) *
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:49 PM) *

Don't question my beliefs nono.gif

And don't go all science guy on me tongue.gif


Okay then, I'll give you a non-science reason whi a zombie apocalypse is impossible:

There have been far too many movies, books, and videogames about them for anyone to be dumb enough to try fiddling around with that sort of thing tongue.gif

Hehe, it's true. I'm beginning to hope for a zombie movie about an outbreak that gets stamped out because everyone is too genre savvy for the end of the world.


Now that would be hilarious. It'd have to be an action comedy of course, but still... rollinglaugh.gif

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 05:55 PM) *

Ahem. Read This.

I can give you plenty of more proof it's a POSSIBILITY. tongue.gif


Ahem, from that article, when they're talking about rabies:

"Now if only it kept the corpse walking around"

This is the big hurdle that you can't really cross. You've got to fundamentally rewrite biology to allow dead cells to continue to function, without anything to sustain them. It just can't happen.


I guess that's the danger of it. If we thought it were possible then we'd take much more precaution and constantly be looking out for it. As it seems completely illogical we don't expect it, therefore it would catch us off guard if some super bug developed.

Off course crazy flesh eating humans are scary, undead or not. The world can stay zombie free for me tongue.gif
King Of Beasts
QUOTE
Ahem, from that article, when they're talking about rabies:

"Now if only it kept the corpse walking around"

This is the big hurdle that you can't really cross. You've got to fundamentally rewrite biology to allow dead cells to continue to function, without anything to sustain them. It just can't happen.


I don't believe in corpses walking around. That's just not possible, a deteriorating body wouldn't be any use, or danger. I do believe in a virus outbreak that could cause zombie-like behavior in humans and animals. Id Imgine a zombie outbreak happening more like what happened in I Am Legend.

There's also a rumor of a virus called LQP-79. It's supposedly government created. Remember, the government lives to hide things from us. For all we know they could have a real "zombie" or a person infected with a similar disease that causes zombie-like behavior.

Look at This . Not sure if you've heard of that incident. This guy supposedly was on a drug called bath salts. And they supposedly have found out he was actually infected by a government created virus that causes deterioration of brain tissue and induces cannibalistic behavior in the infected.
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(Vital @ Jan 3 2014, 06:06 PM) *

I guess that's the danger of it. If we thought it were possible then we'd take much more precaution and constantly be looking out for it. As it seems completely illogical we don't expect it, therefore it would catch us off guard if some super bug developed.

Off course crazy flesh eating humans are scary, undead or not. The world can stay zombie free for me tongue.gif


QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:10 PM) *

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Ahem, from that article, when they're talking about rabies:

"Now if only it kept the corpse walking around"

This is the big hurdle that you can't really cross. You've got to fundamentally rewrite biology to allow dead cells to continue to function, without anything to sustain them. It just can't happen.


I don't believe in corpses walking around. That's just not possible, a deteriorating body wouldn't be any use, or danger. I do believe in a virus outbreak that could cause zombie-like behavior in humans and animals. Id Imgine a zombie outbreak happening more like what happened in I Am Legend.

There's also a rumor of a virus called LQP-79. It's supposedly government created. Remember, the government lives to hide things from us. For all we know they could have a real "zombie" or a person infected with a similar disease that causes zombie-like behavior.

Look at This . Not sure if you've heard of that incident. This guy supposedly was on a drug called bath salts. And they supposedly have found out he was actually infected by a government created virus that causes deterioration of brain tissue and induces cannibalistic behavior in the infected.


The problem with the whole zombie apocalypse caused by experimentation idea is that, anything that could do it would never make it past the testing phase. They'd test it on mice or something, get zombie mice, and the plug gets pulled on the whole project.

As for the article and the virus, the key word there is "supposedly". There's a good deal of it in that article. The biggest question of course is "why would anyone actually try to create a virus that does that?" That virus thing there has all the hallmarks of a conspiracy theory, and just as much credibility.
King Of Beasts
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The problem with the whole zombie apocalypse caused by experimentation idea is that, anything that could do it would never make it past the testing phase. They'd test it on mice or something, get zombie mice, and the plug gets pulled on the whole project.

As for the article and the virus, the key word there is "supposedly". There's a good deal of it in that article. The biggest question of course is "why would anyone actually try to create a virus that does that?" That virus thing there has all the hallmarks of a conspiracy theory, and just as much credibility.


Who knows why the government would do that. The government keeps stuff from us all the time. Possible alien sightings, possible zombie creations.

And remember, even if they were to experiment on an animal, and it were to create a zombie like virus, things can go wrong.

The tested animal could have infected someone or a group of people, and the government is keeping it quiet so nobody panicked.

The experiment could've gone well at first, like in I am legend, but turned out with bad side effects after it was too late to do anything about it.

I'm not staying there's a solid 100 percent chance a zombie apocalypse will happen, I'm saying it's possible. Other viruses could mutate, something could go wrong in a government lab.

Nature is a natural killer, and we tamper with it too much. We could create untreatable diseases and viruses, if it doesn't occur naturally.

I mean, just look at This fungus infecting ants. All natural. Nature could create a virus, or possibly fungus, that causes cannibalistic behavior, and has has the urge to spread.

If the government doesn't create it, nature might. You can't truly rule out the possibility of a deadly virus outbreak like that.
Vital
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 4 2014, 05:31 AM) *

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The problem with the whole zombie apocalypse caused by experimentation idea is that, anything that could do it would never make it past the testing phase. They'd test it on mice or something, get zombie mice, and the plug gets pulled on the whole project.

As for the article and the virus, the key word there is "supposedly". There's a good deal of it in that article. The biggest question of course is "why would anyone actually try to create a virus that does that?" That virus thing there has all the hallmarks of a conspiracy theory, and just as much credibility.


Who knows why the government would do that. The government keeps stuff from us all the time. Possible alien sightings, possible zombie creations.

And remember, even if they were to experiment on an animal, and it were to create a zombie like virus, things can go wrong.

The tested animal could have infected someone or a group of people, and the government is keeping it quiet so nobody panicked.

The experiment could've gone well at first, like in I am legend, but turned out with bad side effects after it was too late to do anything about it.

I'm not staying there's a solid 100 percent chance a zombie apocalypse will happen, I'm saying it's possible. Other viruses could mutate, something could go wrong in a government lab.

Nature is a natural killer, and we tamper with it too much. We could create untreatable diseases and viruses, if it doesn't occur naturally.

I mean, just look at This fungus infecting ants. All natural. Nature could create a virus, or possibly fungus, that causes cannibalistic behavior, and has has the urge to spread.

If the government doesn't create it, nature might. You can't truly rule out the possibility of a deadly virus outbreak like that.


I think the ps3 game "The Last of Us" was based on the fungus. It had mutated to grow on humans and turn them into zombie-like creatures. The spores were highly contagious which made it really dangerous
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:31 PM) *

Who knows why the government would do that. The government keeps stuff from us all the time. Possible alien sightings, possible zombie creations.


They always have a reason for it, but creating a virus that turns people into cannibals? What exactly is that supposed to accomplish?

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:31 PM) *

And remember, even if they were to experiment on an animal, and it were to create a zombie like virus, things can go wrong.

The tested animal could have infected someone or a group of people, and the government is keeping it quiet so nobody panicked.

The experiment could've gone well at first, like in I am legend, but turned out with bad side effects after it was too late to do anything about it.

I'm not staying there's a solid 100 percent chance a zombie apocalypse will happen, I'm saying it's possible. Other viruses could mutate, something could go wrong in a government lab.


Except said lab would have at least a dozen safeguards preventing it from getting out. And this is the standard protocols used since they were creating biological weapons and fiddling with smallpox, likely beefed up and refined. So how exactly is it supposed to get out? Because that's something that's always glossed over: Resident Evil (the movie) for some reason the AI was completely unable to get a message outside of the facility? Thus forcing them to go in to find out what happened? or I Am Legend; I don't think they explained how it got out either, but I only saw that film once years ago.

For it to get out "something" does not have to go wrong. EVERYTHING has to go wrong. Every safeguard and security measure needs to fail, right down to failing to lock down the facility in question.

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:31 PM) *

Nature is a natural killer, and we tamper with it too much. We could create untreatable diseases and viruses, if it doesn't occur naturally.

I mean, just look at This fungus infecting ants. All natural. Nature could create a virus, or possibly fungus, that causes cannibalistic behavior, and has has the urge to spread.

If the government doesn't create it, nature might. You can't truly rule out the possibility of a deadly virus outbreak like that.


It's not just a question of could it spread, but whether or not it could be stopped. And frankly, I don't see anything to suggest it couldn't be. For it to be able to be unstoppable it would have to be both highly contagious among humans and become airborne, either of which would require vast amounts of mutation, the most likely outcome of which is the virus simply breaking down because of all that mutation.
King Of Beasts
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I think the ps3 game "The Last of Us" was based on the fungus. It had mutated to grow on humans and turn them into zombie-like creatures. The spores were highly contagious which made it really dangerous


I wanna play that game so bad but I don't have a ps3 lol

I definitely think it is possible for a fungus or virus like that one to mutate to the point where it affects humans. We shouldn't COMPLETELY rule out the possibility of it.

Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:48 PM) *

I definitely think it is possible for a fungus or virus like that one to mutate to the point where it affects humans. We shouldn't COMPLETELY rule out the possibility of it.


It might be able to, but I don't see how it could do it quickly enough for it to become a serious problem. It couldn't mutate that drastically, or that rapidly. Here's a human parallel: It'd be like a child being born with an immune system so strong it's immune to disease, is three times as strong and smart as average, and has an additional pair of arms, as well as wings. And that's a child with two normal human parents. Maybe over the course of a century or so it could become possible, but without constant exposure to humans? Forget about it. And if it has constant exposure to humans, it wouldn't take people by surprise, because it would be found, investigated, or simply quarantined.

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 06:48 PM) *

Oh, in I am legend some lady created the cure for cancer, and the cure ended up turning people into blood thirsty monsters


See, that's the sort if thing I was talking about when I said it wouldn't get past the test phase.
Vital
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 4 2014, 05:48 AM) *

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I think the ps3 game "The Last of Us" was based on the fungus. It had mutated to grow on humans and turn them into zombie-like creatures. The spores were highly contagious which made it really dangerous


I wanna play that game so bad but I don't have a ps3 lol

I definitely think it is possible for a fungus or virus like that one to mutate to the point where it affects humans. We shouldn't COMPLETELY rule out the possibility of it.

Oh, in I am legend some lady created the cure for cancer, and the cure ended up turning people into blood thirsty monsters


Me too lol, ive only got an xbox

I agree, it seems like one of the more likely causes. Off course it isn't likely that it would evolve straight from affecting ants to affecting humans, other animals would probably become susceptible to it first.
King Of Beasts
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It might be able to, but I don't see how it could do it quickly enough for it to become a serious problem. It couldn't mutate that drastically, or that rapidly. Here's a human parallel: It'd be like a child being born with an immune system so strong it's immune to disease, is three times as strong and smart as average, and has an additional pair of arms, as well as wings. And that's a child with two normal human parents. Maybe over the course of a century or so it could become possible, but without constant exposure to humans? Forget about it. And if it has constant exposure to humans, it wouldn't take people by surprise, because it would be found, investigated, or simply quarantined.


If there has been viruses that have killed thousands of people in a matter of months, there's a chance there could be a virus or fungus break-out that induces cannibalistic behavior in humans, and spreads rapidly.
SubRosa
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 01:48 PM) *

Oh, in I am legend some lady created the cure for cancer, and the cure ended up turning people into blood thirsty monsters

No, they were using sharks to find a cure for cancer (and IRL, sharks appear to be immune to cancer). But the sharks got smart, and killed everyone. Here is actual footage wink.gif


QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 02:05 PM) *

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It might be able to, but I don't see how it could do it quickly enough for it to become a serious problem. It couldn't mutate that drastically, or that rapidly. Here's a human parallel: It'd be like a child being born with an immune system so strong it's immune to disease, is three times as strong and smart as average, and has an additional pair of arms, as well as wings. And that's a child with two normal human parents. Maybe over the course of a century or so it could become possible, but without constant exposure to humans? Forget about it. And if it has constant exposure to humans, it wouldn't take people by surprise, because it would be found, investigated, or simply quarantined.


If there has been viruses that have killed thousands of people in a matter of months, there's a chance there could be a virus or fungus break-out that induces cannibalistic behavior in humans, and spreads rapidly.

The influenza pandemic of 1918 killed more people than all of World War I. It spread across the globe, and killed from 50 - 100 million people.

The main problem with zombie like diseases is that nothing in nature works as fast as they do in the movies. Typically in a matter of seconds to minutes someone who is bitten becomes a zombie. It takes a lot longer for RL viruses to propagate and destroy a victim's immune system.

However, there are parasites IRL that control the behavior of their hosts. But even they do not do it the speed you see in a zombie movie.

TBH, I think the real zombie scenario is not from a zombie disease but rather from technology. Sooner or later nanotechnology is going to become a reality. When it does everyone will have millions of tiny machines roaming around inside their bodies, healing injuries, fixing birth defects, etc... It would not be a big step until those little machines would also be able to physically manipulate a person's body. Either by entering the brain and literally creating new neural connections, or by simply sending out the right electrical/chemical impulses to control muscle movements. Whoever controlled those machines, would control every living person on the world. Instant zombies.

Chemical weapons are another contender. All it takes is a chemical that prevents the human brain from creating serotonin and people will become rage monsters. It has already been done on mice. There is really very little difference between mice and humans - apparently there are only 300 genes different between the two species. That is why mice are used as test subjects. I am sure lots of people are working on ways to do it to humans.
mirocu
Zombies? huh.gif

*brings out Winchester shotgun*

-clack-clack-

Lock and load cool.gif

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jan 3 2014, 08:30 PM) *

I am sure lots of people are working on ways to do it to humans.

Iīm sure they already have that weapon. Only question is when theyīre gonna release it and what silly excuse for the outbreak theyīll have on the news.
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 08:31 PM) *

Zombies? huh.gif

*brings out Winchester shotgun*

-clack-clack-

Lock and load cool.gif


Loki's Twisted Scrotum! (Nope, I never get tired of saying that :lol)

You too?
mirocu
Me too? huh.gif

Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 08:37 PM) *

Me too? huh.gif


The whole zombie apocalypse thing.

Don't tell me you think it could happen too:O
mirocu
Of course it can, just read Subīs post. Itīs all about simple chemistry.
King Of Beasts
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 03:37 PM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 08:37 PM) *

Me too? huh.gif


The whole zombie apocalypse thing.

Don't tell me you think it could happen too:O


It's possible. Maybe not a big chance, but there's still a chance.
Elisabeth Hollow
If it were to happen, I don't think they'd be ZOMBIES. It'd be something else.
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 08:39 PM) *

Of course it can, just read Subīs post. Itīs all about simple chemistry.


Sure, stopping the brain from producing seratonin will produce some of the effects. But I don't see how you're going to transmit it, or how long the effect would last. Could you turn a bunch of people into rage monsters with a plane rigged for crop dusting? Yes. Could it create the zombie apocalypse? I don't think so.

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 08:40 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 03:37 PM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 08:37 PM) *

Me too? huh.gif


The whole zombie apocalypse thing.

Don't tell me you think it could happen too:O


It's possible. Maybe not a big chance, but there's still a chance.


You've got a better chance of winning the lottery every week for the rest of your life. Do you consider that a likelihood you should consider and prepare for?
mirocu
We donīt know what they have come up with but I definitely think they can start a pandemic with this. And I donīt think the effect itself has to be very long. All it takes to put the world in constant quarrantine or lockdown is that it happens at a few key places. The news and politicians will take care of the rest.

And before we know it weīll have curfews and mass-executions for breaking it or simply for "suspecting" people to have the virus.

Kiln
Anything is possible. At one point people weren't sure if splitting the atom was possible. Plastic guns were impossible. Reaching the moon was impossible. Having frozen food in places with high temperatures was impossible.

If there's one thing that has been proven countless times throughout history it is that there is nothing that is completely impossible. I do agree that zombies or anything resembling them is extremely unlikely. Wouldn't rule anything completely out though.

There are two types of fungus that control their hosts to some extent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_sinensis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis
King Of Beasts
QUOTE
You've got a better chance of winning the lottery every week for the rest of your life. Do you consider that a likelihood you should consider and prepare for?


Yes. People win the lotto a lot. Maybe not me, but people do. And a zombie disease could break out.
mirocu
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 09:57 PM) *

Yes. People win the lotto a lot. Maybe not me, but people do. And a zombie disease could break out.

Especially if they plan for it and release a virus on purpose wink.gif

I just hope it wonīt happen in my lifetime but if it does happen to me, I hope I have enough time to do something about it mellow.gif
King Of Beasts
Sometimes i think the government is out to get us lol
mirocu
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 10:01 PM) *

Sometimes i think the government is out to get us lol

I donīt think that anymore. I know it. Just look at the World, it wouldnīt look like it does if they werenīt out to get us dry.gif

But....


EVERYTHING IS BETTER WITH A BAG OF WEED!!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
King Of Beasts
I want weeeeeed tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 09:04 PM) *

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 10:01 PM) *

Sometimes i think the government is out to get us lol

I donīt think that anymore. I know it. Just look at the World, it wouldnīt look like it does if they werenīt out to get us dry.gif


I'm sorry, but that's just paranoid.

The world is the way it is purely because of greed.

It's not governments, it's the rich bastards funding their election campaigns, and they don't want us dead, or they couldn't profit off us.

There's more than enough money and food to develop all those third world countries and stop people from ever starving. But there's no profit in it. So it doesn't happen.

Those that want change don't have the power to implement it. And those who have the power, don't want te change.

But it's not governments that created the modern world, it's capitalism.
mirocu
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 10:08 PM) *

I want weeeeeed tongue.gif

Yeah, you do! biggrin.gif

Itīs interesting how many things that are so bad for us are perfectly legal, but things that arenīt so bad and may even help us is illegal.

King Of Beasts
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 04:11 PM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 09:04 PM) *

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 10:01 PM) *

Sometimes i think the government is out to get us lol

I donīt think that anymore. I know it. Just look at the World, it wouldnīt look like it does if they werenīt out to get us dry.gif


I'm sorry, but that's just paranoid.

The world is the way it is purely because of greed.

It's not governments, it's the rich bastards funding their election campaigns, and they don't want us dead, or they couldn't profit off us.

There's more than enough money and food to develop all those third world countries and stop people from ever starving. But there's no profit in it. So it doesn't happen.

Those that want change don't have the power to implement it. And those who have the power, don't want te change.

But it's not governments that created the modern world, it's capitalism.


No, it's both. The government is greedy. They want to suck our savings up for themselves.

QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 04:11 PM) *

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 10:08 PM) *

I want weeeeeed tongue.gif

Yeah, you do! biggrin.gif

Itīs interesting how many things that are so bad for us are perfectly legal, but things that arenīt so bad and may even help us is illegal.


Weed is legal in Amsterdam tongue.gif
Elisabeth Hollow
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 03:11 PM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 09:04 PM) *

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 10:01 PM) *

Sometimes i think the government is out to get us lol

I donīt think that anymore. I know it. Just look at the World, it wouldnīt look like it does if they werenīt out to get us dry.gif


I'm sorry, but that's just paranoid.

The world is the way it is purely because of greed.

It's not governments, it's the rich bastards funding their election campaigns, and they don't want us dead, or they couldn't profit off us.

There's more than enough money and food to develop all those third world countries and stop people from ever starving. But there's no profit in it. So it doesn't happen.

Those that want change don't have the power to implement it. And those who have the power, don't want te change.

But it's not governments that created the modern world, it's capitalism.

I agree with this statement.

However, I'm not above thinking there isn't some hidden agenda somewhere. Give the American government officials our healthcare and paygrade and see how quickly things change around here. Let them live a few months doing what I do (which is not DIFFICULT but it is blue collar work, getting paid juuuuuuuust above minimum wage and still below the poverty line) for the money that I get paid and let them try to live off of that. Then make them think that they'll never get back to where they were before. They'll never again go to a five-star restaurant, or live in anything better than a two-bedroom apartment with crappy maintanence, no washers and dryers, washing their clothes in the sink. Let all of them who never had to work a damn day in their lives do that, who grew up rich and never having to work through public school and having their arts program cut for budget reasons. something the people they govern have to go through.

I want someone in office that came from where I am.

My only fear is that they'd be torn apart.
mirocu
Weed!


King Of Beasts
QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 04:22 PM) *

Weed!


IS
ImperialSnob
IPB Image
mirocu
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 10:25 PM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 04:22 PM) *

Weed!


IS

good? mellow.gif
ImperialSnob
QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 09:27 PM) *

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 10:25 PM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Jan 3 2014, 04:22 PM) *

Weed!


IS

good? mellow.gif


smh
King Of Beasts
No, green tongue.gif
ImperialSnob
Why are we talking about Dandilions?

Ruining my garden devilsad.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Jan 3 2014, 09:17 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 04:11 PM) *

I'm sorry, but that's just paranoid.

The world is the way it is purely because of greed.

It's not governments, it's the rich bastards funding their election campaigns, and they don't want us dead, or they couldn't profit off us.

There's more than enough money and food to develop all those third world countries and stop people from ever starving. But there's no profit in it. So it doesn't happen.

Those that want change don't have the power to implement it. And those who have the power, don't want te change.

But it's not governments that created the modern world, it's capitalism.


No, it's both. The government is greedy. They want to suck our savings up for themselves.


The governement are the middle men, the ones carrying out the orders. But it's the ones giving them the money they need to run for office who make the decisions.

QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jan 3 2014, 09:19 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 03:11 PM) *

I'm sorry, but that's just paranoid.

The world is the way it is purely because of greed.

It's not governments, it's the rich bastards funding their election campaigns, and they don't want us dead, or they couldn't profit off us.

There's more than enough money and food to develop all those third world countries and stop people from ever starving. But there's no profit in it. So it doesn't happen.

Those that want change don't have the power to implement it. And those who have the power, don't want te change.

But it's not governments that created the modern world, it's capitalism.

I agree with this statement.

However, I'm not above thinking there isn't some hidden agenda somewhere. Give the American government officials our healthcare and paygrade and see how quickly things change around here. Let them live a few months doing what I do (which is not DIFFICULT but it is blue collar work, getting paid juuuuuuuust above minimum wage and still below the poverty line) for the money that I get paid and let them try to live off of that. Then make them think that they'll never get back to where they were before. They'll never again go to a five-star restaurant, or live in anything better than a two-bedroom apartment with crappy maintanence, no washers and dryers, washing their clothes in the sink. Let all of them who never had to work a damn day in their lives do that, who grew up rich and never having to work through public school and having their arts program cut for budget reasons. something the people they govern have to go through.

I want someone in office that came from where I am.

My only fear is that they'd be torn apart.


Unfortunately if they weren't torn apart they'd just go back with new ideas on how to make the situation less bearable. And of course, no-one who isn't wealthy to begin with successfully gets into politics, and no-one gets anywhere in politics without selling out.


The simple fact of the matter is this: With the demise of the monarchies, the whole "divine right of kings" deal, a new method of keeping the majority in line was needed. Money has become that method, and democracy is used solely to make people think they still have an actual say on what happens in their country.

Basically it's the real world equivalent of the Matrix.
ImperialSnob
Zombies=possible

Not all politicians=bad

Straight Edge=good

There I fixed everything.
mirocu
Agreed with Callidus there. Politicians just carry out their orders and we have no say so which is why I never bother to vote because it makes no real difference anyway. Politics = evil, and I want nothing to do with that.

@Kobby - Ok, then tongue.gif
Elisabeth Hollow
QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Jan 3 2014, 03:31 PM) *

Zombies=possible

Not all politicians=bad

Straight Edge=good

There I fixed everything.

No one said all politicians were bad.

Straight edge isn't always the best thing to be. If everyone was straight-edge, we'd be demonizing the ones who were less-straight-edge.
mirocu
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Jan 3 2014, 10:35 PM) *

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Jan 3 2014, 03:31 PM) *

Zombies=possible

Not all politicians=bad

Straight Edge=good

There I fixed everything.

No one said all politicians were bad.

No, there are good guys out there too. They just arenīt allowed to be heard as much as the bad ones or rise in the hierarchy (sp?)
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Jan 3 2014, 09:31 PM) *

Straight Edge=good


Erm...

WTF is straight edge? huh.gif
mirocu
A stupid 90's word meaning you donīt do any kind of drugs whatsoever, including coffee and such.

I believe some drugs can actually be very beneficial, just as some can be very bad.
SubRosa
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Jan 3 2014, 04:39 PM) *

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Jan 3 2014, 09:31 PM) *

Straight Edge=good


Erm...

WTF is straight edge? huh.gif

A straight edge is a punk rocker who does not take drugs or drink alcohol.
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