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mirocu
Well, you only get 300 days with 80% of what you earned before. Then you enter this phase 3 anyway if you dont get a regular job.
Vital
So employment is still better on the whole tongue.gif
mirocu
Yup. At least in the longer run.. laugh.gif
Vital
But for now doing nothing is ok? tongue.gif
mirocu
Yup! laugh.gif
McBadgere
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 09:26 AM) *

For me, no DiD=no character. If I'm just reloading when they die then they're an avatar, not a character.

@'Rocu: I do not not post-and-run.

I am a sometime practitioner of hit-and-run posting.



Personally speaking...I just don't understand that...I know I'm a bit wrong in the head...But I can't get it at all...

If I make up a character that I like the look of, I'm gonna wanna play that character...If by my own mistake it/they wind up dying then I'm not going to simply give up on it/them...That's just wasting time and effort...If all you've lost is a couple of minutes, from walking in through a door or fast travelling then I can't see any real genuine merit to not reloading...

This is the whole immersion thing that I've ranted about in the past...Along with railing against those that rant about fast travelling and not stacking, or even using carry weight spells...

They're in the game, it's a function you can use...Stop whining...

AAAARGH!!!...Now you've gone and made me all offensive again!!!...*Sigh*... dry.gif ...

I apologise for not staying around Mirocu...It's just one of them work breaks things...

And the cows are out today for the first time since early November!!...Which is nice... biggrin.gif ...

Thorny...I'm not having a go at you at all...I just don't understand Dead Is Dead...It makes not a bit of sense to me...Anyone else that does it, fine! Awesome!!...I just don't...
mirocu
QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 02:02 PM) *

I apologise for not staying around Mirocu...It's just one of them work breaks things...

No worries, matey! Not everyone can sit around being lazy all day long.. laugh.gif


Yay for the cowsies!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
McBadgere
Sadly not...The chance would be a fine thing... tongue.gif ...

Weekends?...Just a different set of busys... biggrin.gif ...
mirocu
Ive had a weekend for a year now.. tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 01:02 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 09:26 AM) *

For me, no DiD=no character. If I'm just reloading when they die then they're an avatar, not a character.

@'Rocu: I do not not post-and-run.

I am a sometime practitioner of hit-and-run posting.



Personally speaking...I just don't understand that...I know I'm a bit wrong in the head...But I can't get it at all...

If I make up a character that I like the look of, I'm gonna wanna play that character...If by my own mistake it/they wind up dying then I'm not going to simply give up on it/them...That's just wasting time and effort...If all you've lost is a couple of minutes, from walking in through a door or fast travelling then I can't see any real genuine merit to not reloading...

This is the whole immersion thing that I've ranted about in the past...Along with railing against those that rant about fast travelling and not stacking, or even using carry weight spells...

They're in the game, it's a function you can use...Stop whining...

AAAARGH!!!...Now you've gone and made me all offensive again!!!...*Sigh*... dry.gif ...

Thorny...I'm not having a go at you at all...I just don't understand Dead Is Dead...It makes not a bit of sense to me...Anyone else that does it, fine! Awesome!!...I just don't...


Let me try explaining it better:

I find that playing DiD makes the game so much more intense, that going back from it feels like putting an unnecessary layer of seperation between myself and the character, and to an extent, the character and the game. Becuase I know that unless I decide otherwise, nothing in the game can truly harm my character.

It's like roleplaying an avatar of Akatosh, in the event of death, rewind time and do things differently. So when you try again, your acting on information the character shouldn't have, since they didn't go wherever it was they were killed. So doing things differently is motivated by the player, not the character. For me, that's a big no-no when it comes to roleplaying.

And then there's the difference in how it makes the game play. For example:

Taking Tarvyn Dralor through Vilverin the other day. Had I not been playing DiD, he'd have been moving less cautiously, using a dagger as often as the bow. I'd never have thought to use an open spell to light the path ahead, nor discovered that skeletons won't notice it even when the spell hits them.

So because I know that my character is such a glass cannon, and that any fight might be his last, the whole of Vilverin felt so much more atmospheric. One hasty step could alert an enemy in the shadows, that were too dark to see into. One mistimed step with the swinging blades could fillet my character. One moment when my stealthy glass cannon wasn't as cautious as he should've been, could have meant his death.



Here's a thought, give this a try: Take your character to Barren Cave, just branch it off from your game temporarily. Try and clear it in one run, without reloading, doing as much as you can to keep your character alive without going out of character. Then try and clear it out as you would normally, reloading in the event of death. See if you find the two to be different experiences.
ImperialSnob
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2014, 01:23 PM) *

Ive had a weekend for a year now.. tongue.gif


Not really something to brag about.
Elisabeth Hollow
QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 11 2014, 09:03 AM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2014, 01:23 PM) *

Ive had a weekend for a year now.. tongue.gif


Not really something to brag about.

He's not bragging. He's really upset about it and is making light of it to take away some of the crushing disappointment.
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(Elisabeth Hollow @ Apr 11 2014, 03:35 PM) *

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 11 2014, 09:03 AM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2014, 01:23 PM) *

Ive had a weekend for a year now.. tongue.gif


Not really something to brag about.

He's not bragging. He's really upset about it and is making light of it to take away some of the crushing disappointment.


Either that or it really was one hell of a weekend rollinglaugh.gif

Edit: How's things, Liz?
mirocu
Liz is right. I was feeling very badly when it happened, in fact so badly that just after the bankruptcy declaration I actually got sick (got a terrible cold) out of nowhere for a few days which caused problems later when I tried to get my insurance money. I feel much better now though and I have managed very good which is why I can joke about it now, something I couldnt have done a year ago. Im also a natural goof (or dork as Liz likes to put it tongue.gif ) which is also why I can joke about it now when things have settled. And this whole thing about losing our farm is something that is eating me up but I cant let it do that and I have to use my humour and joke about it sometimes.

So you see Impy, Im not bragging. Im just in a better place now than I was before smile.gif
McBadgere
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 02:15 PM) *

Let me try explaining it better:

I find that playing DiD makes the game so much more intense, that going back from it feels like putting an unnecessary layer of seperation between myself and the character, and to an extent, the character and the game. Becuase I know that unless I decide otherwise, nothing in the game can truly harm my character.

It's like roleplaying an avatar of Akatosh, in the event of death, rewind time and do things differently. So when you try again, your acting on information the character shouldn't have, since they didn't go wherever it was they were killed. So doing things differently is motivated by the player, not the character. For me, that's a big no-no when it comes to roleplaying.

And then there's the difference in how it makes the game play. For example:

Taking Tarvyn Dralor through Vilverin the other day. Had I not been playing DiD, he'd have been moving less cautiously, using a dagger as often as the bow. I'd never have thought to use an open spell to light the path ahead, nor discovered that skeletons won't notice it even when the spell hits them.

So because I know that my character is such a glass cannon, and that any fight might be his last, the whole of Vilverin felt so much more atmospheric. One hasty step could alert an enemy in the shadows, that were too dark to see into. One mistimed step with the swinging blades could fillet my character. One moment when my stealthy glass cannon wasn't as cautious as he should've been, could have meant his death.



Here's a thought, give this a try: Take your character to Barren Cave, just branch it off from your game temporarily. Try and clear it in one run, without reloading, doing as much as you can to keep your character alive without going out of character. Then try and clear it out as you would normally, reloading in the event of death. See if you find the two to be different experiences.


Steady on, old boy...I Understand the concept...And the reasons people do it...I'm not arguing that...What I mean is, I don't get it...Why bother...Especially if you're using said DID game to journal from...

I always play as if I'm doing it for real...Every time...It's why I get so wound up if they get the crap kicked out of them...And if they do die, I'll do it much the same way again...But that's the point...I can do it again...

I'll do Barren Cave in the morning and let you know...But if I do die, I'll just do it again in order to hammer the barswine vampy-vamps... biggrin.gif ...

Personally, my favourite writing when I was doing the KOTN thing was later on, when I was writing for characters that would never be created in game...Just purely in my imagination...Perhaps just using a character that died but carrying on his story might be a way to go...Then you don't have to start again...Again!...

I meant no offence matey, I'm absolutely sorry if I caused any... smile.gif ...



Oh, Mirocu...It's a shame you've been out of work so long...I remember how gutted you were back when you first lost the job...I get that I'm lucky to have a job, even if I have a hard time of it occasionally...So don't think I don't understand your frustration at not having one...Though you're not exactly suffering for lack of NES stuff despite it... laugh.gif ...
ImperialSnob
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 02:15 PM) *

QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 01:02 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 09:26 AM) *

For me, no DiD=no character. If I'm just reloading when they die then they're an avatar, not a character.

@'Rocu: I do not not post-and-run.

I am a sometime practitioner of hit-and-run posting.



Personally speaking...I just don't understand that...I know I'm a bit wrong in the head...But I can't get it at all...

If I make up a character that I like the look of, I'm gonna wanna play that character...If by my own mistake it/they wind up dying then I'm not going to simply give up on it/them...That's just wasting time and effort...If all you've lost is a couple of minutes, from walking in through a door or fast travelling then I can't see any real genuine merit to not reloading...

This is the whole immersion thing that I've ranted about in the past...Along with railing against those that rant about fast travelling and not stacking, or even using carry weight spells...

They're in the game, it's a function you can use...Stop whining...

AAAARGH!!!...Now you've gone and made me all offensive again!!!...*Sigh*... dry.gif ...

Thorny...I'm not having a go at you at all...I just don't understand Dead Is Dead...It makes not a bit of sense to me...Anyone else that does it, fine! Awesome!!...I just don't...


Let me try explaining it better:

I find that playing DiD makes the game so much more intense, that going back from it feels like putting an unnecessary layer of seperation between myself and the character, and to an extent, the character and the game. Becuase I know that unless I decide otherwise, nothing in the game can truly harm my character.

It's like roleplaying an avatar of Akatosh, in the event of death, rewind time and do things differently. So when you try again, your acting on information the character shouldn't have, since they didn't go wherever it was they were killed. So doing things differently is motivated by the player, not the character. For me, that's a big no-no when it comes to roleplaying.

And then there's the difference in how it makes the game play. For example:

Taking Tarvyn Dralor through Vilverin the other day. Had I not been playing DiD, he'd have been moving less cautiously, using a dagger as often as the bow. I'd never have thought to use an open spell to light the path ahead, nor discovered that skeletons won't notice it even when the spell hits them.

So because I know that my character is such a glass cannon, and that any fight might be his last, the whole of Vilverin felt so much more atmospheric. One hasty step could alert an enemy in the shadows, that were too dark to see into. One mistimed step with the swinging blades could fillet my character. One moment when my stealthy glass cannon wasn't as cautious as he should've been, could have meant his death.



Here's a thought, give this a try: Take your character to Barren Cave, just branch it off from your game temporarily. Try and clear it in one run, without reloading, doing as much as you can to keep your character alive without going out of character. Then try and clear it out as you would normally, reloading in the event of death. See if you find the two to be different experiences.


Damn you CT! I started a new character, then stopped playing for a bit and I was about to go back(for some reason UESP hit me with a massive amount of nostalgia.) and now I'm gonna have to make a new character that's DiD!

Also I just read the mob list for Barren Cave and wet myself a little tongue.gif

QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2014, 04:29 PM) *

Liz is right. I was feeling very badly when it happened, in fact so badly that just after the bankruptcy declaration I actually got sick (got a terrible cold) out of nowhere for a few days which caused problems later when I tried to get my insurance money. I feel much better now though and I have managed very good which is why I can joke about it now, something I couldnt have done a year ago. Im also a natural goof (or dork as Liz likes to put it tongue.gif ) which is also why I can joke about it now when things have settled. And this whole thing about losing our farm is something that is eating me up but I cant let it do that and I have to use my humour and joke about it sometimes.

So you see Impy, Im not bragging. Im just in a better place now than I was before smile.gif


Oh sorry, I misunderstood tongue.gif

I wish you the best of luck!
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 11 2014, 05:32 PM) *

Damn you CT! I started a new character, then stopped playing for a bit and I was about to go back(for some reason UESP hit me with a massive amount of nostalgia.) and now I'm gonna have to make a new character that's DiD!

Also I just read the mob list for Barren Cave and wet myself a little tongue.gif


evillol.gif
mirocu
QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 06:26 PM) *

Oh, Mirocu...It's a shame you've been out of work so long...I remember how gutted you were back when you first lost the job...I get that I'm lucky to have a job, even if I have a hard time of it occasionally...So don't think I don't understand your frustration at not having one...Though you're not exactly suffering for lack of NES stuff despite it... laugh.gif ...

When you have a job you bash it and when you dont have a job you wish you had one so you could bash it.. rollinglaugh.gif

Cheers, matey. Im good but it could be better.. wink.gif

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 11 2014, 06:32 PM) *

Oh sorry, I misunderstood tongue.gif

I wish you the best of luck!

No worries, buddy. And thanks! goodjob.gif
Darkness Eternal
ERH MAH GERD! MALX IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
King Of Beasts
QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 11 2014, 03:14 PM) *

ERH MAH GERD! MALX IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It's so awesome!!!

Our worried can be put to rest now lol

mALX, come talk to us biggrin.gif
Elisabeth Hollow
QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Apr 11 2014, 02:14 PM) *

ERH MAH GERD! MALX IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know!!! wub.gif
Darkness Eternal
Talk to us, mALX!
McBadgere
What?! huh.gif ...

Where?... blink.gif ...
Callidus Thorn
Check the coffee shop thread, McB.

We don't do serious stuff here laugh.gif
McBadgere
*Adopts serious face*...

*Gets complaints and has to give it back*...

Who knew there was an agency?... blink.gif ...

Pa-daaaahhh!!...
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 09:22 PM) *

*Adopts serious face*...

*Gets complaints and has to give it back*...

Who knew there was an agency?... blink.gif ...

Pa-daaaahhh!!...


I set it up retroactively.

They were up and running four years before I signed up here biggrin.gif
MALX2
IPB Image

GAAH!

Hey guys! My mALX senses tingled. Im here. How can be of assistance?
Callidus Thorn
*sees squirrel scamper into thread*

Just what this thread needs! biggrin.gif

More nuts laugh.gif
McBadgere
You can give us some damned hugs woman!!... biggrin.gif ...

Worried?!...Yes, we bloody were...And then some...

*Points*...Just...*Points and raises eyebrows*...
King Of Beasts
QUOTE(MALX2 @ Apr 11 2014, 04:26 PM) *

IPB Image

GAAH!

Hey guys! My mALX senses tingled. Im here. How can be of assistance?


biggrin.gif


Socialize with us!! Hug_emoticon.gif
MALX2
WEEE! Nuts for everyone!



How is everyone doing? Fill me in folks!
McBadgere
Well, I'm pretty much exactly the same as I ever was...Same as I ever was...Same as I ever was...SAME AS I EVER WAS...Same as I ever was...
Callidus Thorn
Heh, we've been reliably informed that nothing ever changes in this thread, and that the same things just keep getting repeated.

I've not seen it taken more literally than McB though rollinglaugh.gif
Darkness Eternal
Pretty much the same, too. Forum died since you left. Some of us even stopped writing.
McBadgere
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 09:36 PM) *

Heh, we've been reliably informed that nothing ever changes in this thread, and that the same things just keep getting repeated.

I've not seen it taken more literally than McB though rollinglaugh.gif


Hey, I resemble that statement... huh.gif ...

Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 11 2014, 09:38 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 11 2014, 09:36 PM) *

Heh, we've been reliably informed that nothing ever changes in this thread, and that the same things just keep getting repeated.

I've not seen it taken more literally than McB though rollinglaugh.gif


Hey, I resemble that statement... huh.gif ...


...

Where's that Nicholas Cage meme...

*wanders off to look for pic*

laugh.gif
Acadian
She's baaccckkk!

IPB Image

That's what I'm talkin' about! biggrin.gif

McBadgere
QUOTE
Where's that Nicholas Cage meme...

*wanders off to look for pic*


Yeah well, you and whose army?...

*Wanders off to look for pict...*...

Ya wee scunner ye!!...
Callidus Thorn
What in Odin's name???

Wait a sec:

Does Black Hand leaving count as news?

I mean he did come back, but...?
McBadgere
Super Squirrel!!!...Awesomeness!!!... laugh.gif ...
King Of Beasts
QUOTE(MALX2 @ Apr 11 2014, 04:33 PM) *

WEEE! Nuts for everyone!



How is everyone doing? Fill me in folks!


I'm doing good smile.gif

Busy, but good laugh.gif
mirocu
MALX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

YOURE BACK!!!!!!!!!!! panic.gif panic.gif

JOY TO THE FORUMS, OUR SQUIRREL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
Vital
Wait.... Did I scare everyone off?
mirocu
QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 11 2014, 11:31 PM) *

Wait.... Did I scare everyone off?

Why do you think that? tongue.gif

Everyones just busy hugging mALX now.. laugh.gif
Callidus Thorn
I was expecting it to be busier than this.

Everyone must be PMing...
Vital
Nah it's just 'cos when I arrived nearly everyone was online then I watched one video and come back and the forums empty laugh.gif
Kiln
Glad to see you back Malx. We were pretty worried about you around here. It's like a small town in the way that when someone disappears, people notice. Very happy to hear that your condition is stable.

Vital
QUOTE(Kiln @ Apr 12 2014, 07:42 AM) *

Glad to see you back Malx. We were pretty worried about you around here. It's like a small town in the way that when someone disappears, people notice. Very happy to hear that your condition is stable.

A very small town indeed.

I'd never even met Malx but all this talk about her missing got me worried tongue.gif
mirocu
QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 11 2014, 11:44 PM) *

I'd never even met Malx but all this talk about her missing got me worried tongue.gif

You better behave or shell unleash her army of squirrels on you.. laugh.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 11 2014, 10:46 PM) *

QUOTE(Vital @ Apr 11 2014, 11:44 PM) *

I'd never even met Malx but all this talk about her missing got me worried tongue.gif

You better behave or shell unleash her army of squirrels on you.. laugh.gif


Or go all she-hulk.

Then Liz can throw a bra at her again. laugh.gif
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