I thought this would be a fun thread so....

If you could rate a villain in your fanfic(if you've written one) it doesn't have to be the main villain, on a scale of 1-10, how evil is he/she?

If you want to, explain why you gave the villain the rating you gave him/her. I guess it's fine if you want to rate a villain from someone else's fanfic.

Anyway.....

I'd rate the main antagonist of my story, (his name is Vokun for those of you that haven't read my story) about a 7.5 on the evilness scale. I'm not putting up any spoilers, but I'll say he has a somewhat reasonable motive behind his actions....

The secondary antagonist(Rex) in my story, I'd rate him a 10. Yes, he's downright evil for no good reason.

Well . . .uhm . . .the "villains," in my story are typically the protagonists and the heroes. I write the story in their point of view, and generally antagonize the "heroes,". So I am pro vampire, pro-Lich, blah. They are always the "good guys," in my tales since they have such a prejudice society against them. I don't believe in good or evil anyways . . .so

Now, other fanfics? Malan, from Maxical's story. Simply. Awesome. I love him. Manipulative, charming, deceitful, downright jerk. One of my favorites. Thirst for virgin blood, knows how to get in people's head, had Janus, Maxical, Uriel and Hannibal all going crazt with his schemes!

Malan.....scares me a bit I'm actually glad it's not possible for villains to jump out of their stories and come to life, because if Malan was real.....i'd take the first spaceship that's going to the moon He might want to get a bulletproof vest though, because I'm sure the military would send every tank in the country after him if he was walking around on the streets. Okay, maybe a rocket proof suit.
(they'd probably classify him as an alien or mythical creature though, because anything that looks strange, people seem to come to a conclusion that it's an alien or some kind of monster )

Ive gotta agree that he's a 10/10 on the scale of evilness though. But seriously, he's starting to scare me.

I have a thing for villains who start out doing the right thing, and end up turning bad. Since there are no clear villains in NEIS, I can't rate mine, lol.

I have to agree about Malan’s awesomeness. He is such a complex antagonist and almost sympathetic at times. And mALX has made me so deeply invested in her heroine (actually I’m invested in the entire team on the side of good) that it ratchets up the villain’s badness even more when we get a glimpse of it.



Me too. Or people who do bad things for a good reason. I like the grey areas.

Indeed! But he doesn't scare me. I like Malan!

And I hate him for all those reasons. I will be very pleased when he finally gets a mouth punching (as Elisabeth puts it).

Baha! Mouth-punching is a thing now, I see!

Hmm, well, my main villain for my Shivering Isles piece is, of course, Jygallag and seeing as his methods of thought and motivations are both so utterly alien to us mere squishy mortals and so deeply, inextricably ingrained into the nature of his being, I kind of struggle to call him evil.

Then again, I've got a secondary villain coming up who's an unhinged, vengeful lunatic who's planning to unmake the entire universe so I'd say she rates pretty highly on the scale; comfortable nine, I'd say, maybe even a ten.

Jygallag disappointed me when he died with one hit. I'd say he's a 9/10 villain though. He wasn't involved directly enough in the little attack on the SI, and he didn't seem entirely evil.

An in-game villain? I really think Mehrunes Dagon is an epic 10/10 villain. He may not have been directly involved in the Oblivion Crisis, but he was pretty badass when he actually appeared in the imperial city. It was epic when he crushed the dome of the temple of the one with his fist.

Then why does he get such a high rating?

Ah . . .my other would be my own. She's a hero in my point of view, a savior for her people, but one responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of people and she never even got the blame for it. Raven Meridius, Daughter of Coldharbour, offspring of Molag Bal, pureblooded vampire. She's four centuries old and stuck in the body of a young twenty year old woman.

She would be counted as a villain simply because:

- She was born from a sexual encounter between a vampire and a Daedra.

-She feeds on children for their purity.

-She manipulates and deceives those around her simply because it is her nature.

-She is elitist and sees mortals as either pawns or a herd of cattle. She's a predator, and thus she is above their petty concepts of morality. She believes the universe dictates who is in power and who is at the bottom of the food chain.

Even her powers can be considered evil. Reign of Terror, for example, can demoralize a foe. She became so talented in illusion that she can use her vampiric powers to affect the weak-minded and make their own nightmares come to life to the point of them clawing their own eyes out or atttacking others in rage and insane fear. She can also seduce and dominate the minds of people using Vampire's Seduction, but she chooses a less brute force method and can do so using words, gestures, smiles, etc.

She is one of the biggest megalomaniacs ever. My Darth Sidious of the Elder Scrolls!

He's pretty evil, he just doesn't appear enough. And he's too weak.

Another nod to maLX's Malan. He doesn't twirl a mustache or ooze foulness; rather he is cruelly likable. Even if you know he is evil incarnate, because of his oily and smooth demeanor you find your hatred periodically waning for him until one or another aspect of his plotting gut shoots you. His depth and complexity truly set the standard for villains.

OK, I’m back for part B. My fanfic’s villains are the game’s Mehrunes Dagon and his supporters in Tamriel. To my protagonists of course they are all evil, but I would rate the Mythic Dawn higher on the evil scale than Dagon. The daedric prince is doing what he is, like a mountain lion eating a baby. However his minions have the same context as my protagonists, yet they have chosen to act against their own people for personal gain. To me that puts them at maximum reprehensible. Not terribly interesting, though. Creating a sympathetic antagonist and a truly flawed hero are goals I hope to reach someday. I love it when a writer makes me secretly like the villain and only grudgingly come around to root for what turns out to be the hero.

Well put, my friend and I couldn't agree more. That is exactly why it gives Buffy no pleasure to kill ogres or trolls, for they are simply acting on their nature. Yet she eagerly stalks and kills two leggers like marauders, necrodudes and conjurors. I'm sure this is because the latter have chosen to use their free will to become varmints.

In the game itself (and he does show up in my story soon, just haven't reached that part yet) - I'd have to say Mankar Camoran above the Mythic Dawn. The Mythic Dawn themselves have been duped by Camoran. He is like a combination of Jim Jones and Manson.

When he is in Cyrodiil speaking he is so charismatic, and you can see all the followers being taken in by him and forking over all their worldly goods. They believe Paradise awaits them through that portal, and it isn't till they cross over they see the real man, the real Mankar and that his promises were all lies. By then there is no escape, not even death because he keeps resurrecting them.

He made a pact with Dagon for that Paradise, for the power he craved - may not have been the brightest move, but took a lot of guts to form an alliance with one who is known to always have his own agenda.

I think Bethesda showed some real genius in Camoran's storyline.

It means a tremendous lot to me that you all said such wonderful things about Malan on here! Thank you all so much!

I really hoped Malan would come across as deceptively likable, and that the only ones to ever see his evil side were those on the receiving end of it.


On other threads bad guys - I gotta say SubRosa's "Vols" - he was smacking Teresa around and breaking her teeth as a child, demonized in her mind - so you hate him. Then when she runs into him again as an adult, suddenly you see the exact same situation - another little orphan girl on the streets - and he is so good with her and coddling her, feeding her - you can't help but love him! Not to mention his love of Simplicia - I mean, you know what he is capable of, you know he has murdered (to protect Simplicia) - but you can't help but sympathize with him, especially after the scars from Dagon's visit. Didn't we all fall in love with Vols? I did.

YES!! I was trying to think of an example of a hero you grow to love after they start out as a villain. Perfect!!

Nobody can do it like SubRosa can when it comes to twisting someone completely so we see all their facets and like them in spite of the faults.

I am with mALX on Mankar (where is his wife, WomanTruk, and shouldn't his son and daughter be BoyBike, and GirlLorry?). I thought he was a very well done cult-leader, brilliant, charismatic, and utterly ruthless, like the men she suggested. Richard Ramirez comes to mind too, and Scientology. I feel sorry for the rank and file members of the Mythic Dawn. They all strike me as people who were emotionally vulnerable at one point or another, enough for them to fall for Camoran's spiel and get sucked into his cult. Then of course the real brain-washing would have begun, to the point where their sense of selves would have been completely shattered.




Vols is a hero? I never intended him to be viewed as one. I just tried to use him as a window into the life of a legionary, a peek under the helmet so to speak, for good and ill.


I cannot really think of villains from my own fic to rate. There are just so many! I suppose there might be Valen Dreth, or Jalbert (whom we shall be seeing again very soon). Or Morandil. I think the biggest villain in the TF would probably be Teresa's own feelings of insecurity!

I never thought of him as a hero, but he did heroic things. That scar on his face was because he gave Teresa the last of the healing potions. The way he brought food to the steet people, the way his love for Simplicia was so deep after so much time had passed. And with Teresa there was a sense he regretted that time/mindframe he was in when he did that to her, but couldn't take back what was done. There was a sense that the things he did today were attempts at atonement for a past he couldn't change.

He was a brilliantly written and complex character.

EDIT: I had the feeling he knowingly took that scar in the face as if in a kind reverse retribution against himself, something to see in the looking glass as a reminder of (and for) the inner scars he left on Teresa in her childhood - scars he could still see in her now as an adult.

That is certainly true. That is how I try to write people. Not as heroes or villains, but rather as people: who do heroic things, or villainous things. I find that is the case with people IRL. None of us are the shiningly noble characters we find in stories. But we can do things that are simply brilliant. Or terrible.

QFT. Agreed. For me (as a reader), when the characters are believable and feel real - it's the difference between being immersed into their lives and reading a story.

I just remembered another favorite villain of mine!

Lord Harkon from dawnguard. He's just pure evil. A 10/10 on the evilness scale. His plan to blot out the sun was brilliant! His voice is epic to

Uh, could you put that in spoiler tags please? That kind of ruined the end of that part of the game for me.


That does this:

Sorry I forgot to put a spoiler tags.

Mankar, without a doubt, is just plain dangerously genre savvy and a sheer evil mastermind. 10/10

Plan and carry out a successful assassination plot on the royal line? Check.

Simultaneously initiate plans to attack and neutralize the back-up heir? Check.

Upon realizing that the random factors of existence have left a weakness in your plans, you immediately adapt and execute a contingency operation, securing the necessary implement that your foes need? Check.

Retreating to the ultimate home field/stronghold as your enemy makes progress in slowing your grand plan? Check.

Building an organization that operates effectively without micromanaging the whole system? Check.

Inspiring absolute loyalty in your followers and growing your power base without arising the authorities' suspicions? Check.

Instructing that organization to ambush and surprise the largest obstacles to your success? Check.

And that voice! Like the creepy, evil reciprocal to Martin's naive version of Boromir.

He's like a mixture of General Zod, Terrence from Yes Man, and Siegfried.

I love his voice too, pulled his voice files to use in my village mod's chapel - a mysteriously similar looking priest named Camoran who gives motivational sermons once per week, lol.

Niamh is very much an "anti-heroine" but she's not evil.
Your question, op, has given me pause for thought however, with her latest incarnation... WHAT is she, precisely...?

I shall have some fun with this.

Now that my fic has a villianess...a 7.

'Lissa Cristenn's' Leinahtan is quite unnecessarily psychotic at times. With the power to possess anybody he chooses to do his evil bidding, he could literally get anybody he wants to do his dirty work.

Where we are in the story at the moment, i would say Leinahtan deserves a solid 6/10.

I think I'm going to move Vokun up a notch.

He's an eight now!

EDIT:

Liz, Asta is like a 10 dude! She's scary as [censored]

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For everyone who mentioned Dagoth-Malan (thank you so much!) - here is a picture of him plotting, facing down Ocato, and one of him emerging from his vapor:


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Malan?


DONT EAT MY SOUL!

I had a ball playing with him, lol. I thought he was going to attack Ocato, lol.

I think we can both agree Ocato deserves to be attacked.(I attack him on a regular basis )



What Malan do?

He balled up his fists and leaned over him like a condor over a mouse. Ocato looked like he was cowering and begging for his life.

I took Malan to the Palace, to Skingrad Castle, to the statue where he dumps off the kidnapped girls when he is through with them, and to Maxical's Palace suite (screens on my story thread and Photobucket account).

He follows you around? That's kinda cool, ya know, UNTIL HE EATS YOUR SOUL!

ROFL !!! No, I have to run his character, so it would be me attcking some NPC. But you have just given me a spectacular idea.

You're gonna try and make him a follower?

This is epic on so many levels! Malan the Bald vampire badass! Woot!!

Hell no, I'm going to turn him into a vampire and attack people! (and take screenshots, of course, lol).

That's a better idea. I don't think he'd make a very friendly follower

Wait, you're gonna make him an NPC?



RUN, HE'S GONNA STEAL OUR SOULS!

I am not sure how to turn him from a Player to a follower, I just need him for a few screenshots anyway.

Create a clone and rewrite his AI package?

Thank you DE!

I'd much rather have him as a follower than see the back of his bald head all the time. I'll see what I can cook up, I wish more people made Chimer followers, lol.

You'll probably figure it out, lol.

You people and your computer stuff, lol

I'm a technology freak, ok!