Ummm... I'm really excited! My character was a vampire hunter for a while, this is the perfect opportunity to start back up!

Anyone think Todd spent much of that chat thinking "D!ck..."?...

So help me, I actually saw something exciting in that footage...Anyone else notice what appeared to be Conjoured horses?...Does look like it...Could be cool...

Although, I was pleased to hear Todd acknowledge that not everyone wants to play as evil...Just after the idiot Anchor (rhyming slang methinks) goes "Well, who'd pass that up, right?" when the VpL is in Riverwood...

This post has been edited by McBadgere: Jun 7 2012, 05:14 AM

From their point of view, the vampires may be evil. But if you kill to survive, and one of the Elder Scrolls are named "The Tyranny of the Sun" which it said to bring about a day that all vampires shall be annihilated, I am sure the vampires would do anything to stop this madness and blot out the sun before they are all destroyed by a prophetic fate.

Anyways, the horse is named(I forgot). He is from the Soul Cairn, a realm of the dead seen in Battlespire. If you help out the soul of a Breton merchant who was sent there by a necromancer after he sold a crappy item, he will allow you to tame the horse and conjure him in the world of the living. It is one of the side quests within the Soul Cairn.

Don't worry, we all know your huge dislike of the unnatural and whatever, but Todd said there will be much more added in Dawnguard besides vampires and the evil hunters.

I don't have a problem with unnatural...Because that is a relative term...unnatural doesn't neccessarily mean evil...

Thanks for the info about the horse...

This post has been edited by McBadgere: Jun 7 2012, 07:42 PM

Anytime.

It turns out that as well as summoning up a skeleton horse, you can also turn into bats. Yes, bats.

The Dawnguard can go suck it, I'm being a vampire. With a crossbow. Who can turn into a cloud of bats. And there ain't nobody who's gonna stop me.

Vampires for the preservation of the sun. The Order will not appreciate a prepetual eclipse... wonder if the dawnguard will accept vampire help.

Yeah, we know. The horse is called Arkved or something.

I am just mad that now villagers won't attack us in stage 4 vampirism. It makes no sense that you are known as a vampire and no one will attack you. We already have three different feeding methods that can revert us to stage 1. I don't know why Bethesda too that out.



I don't know if the Order would even help the Dawnguard. Harkon wants to stop the sun because the Elder Scrolls prophesizes a vampire doom that says all vampires will be eradicated. That is why he wants to blot out the sun, to save his kind. Of course, we can assume all vampires will be affected. I doubt any of them would help the Dawnguard.

That might blow a hole in my arguement. But if that's not the case, I figure the Order would be against blotting out Aetherius since that would uncheck the "barbaric" tribes numbers and threaten their comfortable lifestyle of acquiring influence and prestige in mortal society.

Lets not forget that blotting out the sun would mean that all the plants would die. Then all the animals and people who eat said plants would die. Then the vampires would die too, as they would have no one left to feed upon. Then the prophecy of vampire eradication would come true, and all because of the vampires themselves. Too bad no one would be left alive, because they would be laughing their rear ends off at the irony.

Really, how come these Evil Overlords never think these things through?

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Jun 9 2012, 02:29 AM

You aren't supposed to think of that SubRosa!

I saw a werewolf perk tree in one of the videos as well. Don't know if my character will be a werewolf long enough to try any of those perks out or not.

Well, come to think of it, mushrooms would still grow in the sunless world. And the Falmer & Chaurus would be left of course. So I suppose the world would become the Falmer Empire, ruled over by a clan of Falmer Vampires.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Jun 9 2012, 03:41 AM

Real world physics are different from Nirn, they do not apply where magic and dragons churn about. And actually, patching up the sun will basically remove a very large hole from mundus. Which is better than the dawnguard's option. Magnus's whistle will no longer allow as much aetherial magicka to seep into mundus, a bad thing to some, a better option for others. The streaming amount after such an event should be equal to what the ayleids harvested within their wells, smaller but still prevalent. For the stars will still be within the night's call, as they are smaller rips into aetherius. Giving those few mages left some source of power.

All life would definitely not be extinct. The aedra operate independently from Magnus's gate, the sun. Kynareth will still be around, Arkay will still be around, Akatosh will still be around, Dibella will still be around, Mara will still be around, Zenithar will still be around, Stendarr will still be around, Julianos will still be around. They support mundus, as long as they are still around, all will be alright. So the argument of 'no sun, no life' is as void as Sithis.

There is a good reason the vampires want to survive during the incoming apocalypse. I am quite confident they are aware of the circumstance of Aetherius and the cosmos of Magnus, thus putting their plans into motion to blot out the sun, their only greatest celestial enemy.

This post has been edited by Darkness Eternal: Jun 9 2012, 03:54 AM

While my initial post was mostly in jest, the truth is I have seen nothing in TES that suggests that trees, grass, wheat, corn, and other plants do not require sunlight to grow. Nor have I seen anything to suggest that people do not need to eat food to survive. Come to think of it, I have not seen anything to make me believe that Nirnish plants do not create oxygen, and that animals do not require that to breathe. We need a spell to breathe underwater, so obviously we have to breathe something, and it must not be liquid, since we cannot breathe underwater naturally. Likewise, many other real world physics have not been chucked out the window either. Gravity still works. Things still get old. Other things get born. Fire burns. Rain falls, lightning cracks, etc... The truth is Nirn is very much like the Real World. It has to be, or Bethesda would have to do an awful lot of work creating new laws of nature to explain how their world is different from ours, and players would have a very hard time relating to a place that really was totally alien to them.

Even the Aedra would not be fine and dandy. One thing that is clear is that their fates are bound to the people, and vice-versa. That is how the Orisimer got all green, because of Trinimac turning into Malacath. It is also the Thalmor's big plot. Outlaw the worship of Talos, and eventually people will stop believing in him. When that happens Talos is unmade, which in turn unmakes the universe. So when everyone dies, the Nine (or Eight if you are an Imperial) Divines will be about as well as the cold and dead husk the world will have turned into.

It honestly is a real end of the world scenario. One that most people probably have simply not thought through because they think the basic idea sounds cool (even if Mr. Burns thought of it first...). People often get caught up in the dazzle, and do not look any deeper. That is how the ad industry works after all.

Now to be honest, I am not really sure if the ES vampires actually need blood to survive. If they do not, then they will be just fine and dandy on the bleak, lifeless world they create. If they do, wiping out the prey animals they depend upon to survive is not the smartest maneuver. Like I said before, the irony really is amusing. I would hope that they would pull it off, just so they could die by their own machinations. That is always the best way for an Evil Overlord to go.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Jun 9 2012, 06:17 AM

Lord Levidicus (spl.) survived decades locked in his bedroom after his orc mistress ran off with their half-vampire son (the Grey Prince in Oblivion). This might not apply to all vampires. Cyrodillic vampires seem to need blood merely to retain a veneer of humanity (or whatever race they are).

I would not be surprised. Vampires are undead after all. Other forms of undead do not need sustenance. Vampires are kind of the odd man out in a way, in that they feed on people. But I do not think Bethesda ever really explained why they feed. Except of course that it seems to suppress the vampiric disease, reducing their powers and making them appear more 'normal'. So feeding on people only seems necessary for vampires that want to blend in. Otherwise it is better to just abstain and be more powerful.

I have thought feeding on blood is like an instinct for vampires, or like a drug. Maybe both.

That makes sense. Molag Bal did make them, and he does not do anything to be nice to people or make the world a better place.

While Molag Bal loves to spread discord and corruption among mortals, the mainr eason he created vampires was to point a middle finger at Arkay to mock him.

Though in regards to feeding, lore-wise some vampires(The order and of Cyrodiilic bloodline) have a reversed feeding because of Clavicus Vile. Not all vampires rage for blood. Some were altered to only drink a certain amount before they are fully sastified with that small portion. Though vampires drink blood mostly because of nutrition. Since they are dead, they crave the blood of the living. Since they do not age and their body aging is "paused", we can assume their bodies change as well. It explains the reason for them turning to dust upon true death.

You are a fun person to talk to!

Do you think the Cyrodiilic vampires might be connected to Harkon?