I hate the Thalmor but love the High Elfs as a race. I respect the Stormcloaks but serve and honour the Empire.

Oooo it's like the voice of Galmar himself

McBadgere? What do you have to say for yourself, elf-lover!

@Phoenix Indeed, they are a handsome race ain't they. That loading screen shot of the high elf (albeit in Thalmor robes) looks so cool. So arrogant though, that biatch Taarie in Radiant Raiment, my god.

This post has been edited by Illydoor: Jan 15 2013, 05:08 PM

My characters have different ideas about the war. Only two have picked sides.

Jensa the Nord is not one of Skyrim’s great thinkers. She went to Windhelm to curse at Jarl Ulfric over the Roggvir situation and ended up joining his cause. She didn’t really want to kill the Legion’s Nords, she just wanted a crack at the Thalmor. After the war she realized that the Empire might have been a better choice.

Rowan Varrus the Imperial thinks that only a united Empire will be able to defeat the Thalmor. She joined the Legion.

I’m sure I would end up supporting the Empire in the long game against the Thalmor. As they say, sometimes you have to sleep with the devil.

I'm opting less for 'voice of Galmar' and more 'voice of thinking your choice through to the end'. Hell, even siding with the Empire is a better choice for Skyrim as a whole, as at least it will bring about some degree of stability to the region; taking no side means that you essentially choose to keep the civil war going in the same stalemate it's trapped in, which is exactly what the Thalmor want as that neuters two potential threats to them.

I have to vote independent, but still against the Thalmor, because I both like and dislike all sides, and that's what Ekali is going to be as far as it's possible. I'd have voted for the Stormcloaks a year ago, but a lot have changed since then.

I've got several characters who're involved with the whole war against the Thalmor and between the Empire and Stormcloaks, and the only ones who've actually taken a side are actually helping or used to help the Thalmor. Though that's just because the Thalmor are paying them a lot. Those two are Caoilinn and Dar'Ilthi. Caoilinn might show up in my fanfics eventually, Dar'Ilthi will play a rather big role.

On to my reasoning, the people who lead the Imperial's and Stormcloak's are both a bunch of idiots for the most part. Perhaps not the Imperials, as they're simply trying to put down the uprising. But they're still Thalmor pawns, and as such do not have my respect. Ulfric's a racist and generally very impolite, which I see very well since I rarely play humans. Helping either side would just mean that I help the Thalmor, as I by doing so kill a lot of people and decrease the amount of soldiers that could be used to fight the Thalmor. Not doing anything would also help the Thalmor, because that'd just mean that the civil war goes on and on and they stay occupied with each other while the elves get to do what they want. So I'm trying to figure out a way to end the civil war and unite everyone against the Thalmor, without picking either side.

In my version of the Elder Scrolls universe the ideal for me would be to first kill of Dar'Ilthi, though I'm not going to because she's way too good for the plot, and then somehow manage to unite the Stormcloaks and the Empire. Neither of them are strong enough to take on the Thalmor on their own, especially not after a civil war, and I doubt many would object to my saying that the Thalmor are the real threat. Even the Thalmor has to agree with that, because they're really smart, and not afraid to play dirty. That's also why I like the Thalmor, because they're so very good at manipulating their subjects. And now I got a really good idea for how Ekali can stay independent and still affect the outcome of the war...
Well, I don't think only the Empire and the Stormcloaks would cut it however, so even better would be to send coded messages(or something else that's secure) to other provinces and organize a simultaneous uprising in all of Tamriel. I doubt anyone likes to be bossed over by the Thalmor, so you'd just have to be good enough at convincing them that it could work or give them someone who they'd be willing to follow. But now I'm getting off track.

My point is that I'm against the Thalmor, but I'm not going to help the Empire or the Stormcloaks if all they do is fight internally. Ekali hates the civil war, and wants it to end, but she has no idea of which side she should help win. Dar'Ilthi is scary, and I don't really know what she's thinking helping the Thalmor, but I'm pretty certain that she's a sadist and a psychopath. Sorcalin prefers just to stay out of it and run his own business, though he doesn't like the Thalmor since he at least used to be one of the Psijic. Shakh is undecided. Felisa wants to live her own life in peace, and has changed her name so that people won't be able to track her down. And Caoilinn, she helped the Thalmor take Valenwood and doesn't really care who runs the different provinces as long as she gets paid.

How about we get an Altmer with the mind of a human to infiltrate the Thalmor and bring them down fro the inside?

Because that would, anatomically and logistically, be very difficult?

I like your thinking. I still voted Imperial because I do believe that there will be another war with the Thalmor. They are rebuilding and rearming and need to get the other provinces behind them. I'm sure the Thalmor know this as well, hence the Stormcloak rebellion.

Good point Elizabeth. There must be at least some High Elves who do not agree with the Thalmor initiative.

Like to have been already been flushed out by now though.

Ah, the joys of knocking one off at dinner time...A quick reply, damn you!!...Tch...

Aaaamywho...

As portrayed in Skyrim, the Empire is weak and Tithead Meade is a pathetic excuse for even a puppet Emperor; Ulfric Fatar$e is rude, dim and just no use as a ruler; Madmax and the Forsworn are just savages and don't deserve anything bar the smacking they get...The Thalmor are a bunch of arrogant tw@ts that should have been sent to the bottom of the sea the instant they got in range of the Cyrodiilic Navy...

What I should have said, is that rather than standing idly by and watching them all fight amongst themselves, I would, in fact, as the Dragonborn, kick the living sh*te out of all of them and then set up a ruling council, with many decent advisors and Jarls to do what is right...

Which is pretty much exactly what I'm heading for in my fanfic, just with the added bonus of the still existing Templars *Cough*...Knights of The Nine and a decent and strong Empire THAT LEATHERED THE SHITE OUT OF THE DAMNED THALMOR IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!! *pantpantpant*...

That do you?... ...

This post has been edited by McBadgere: Jan 15 2013, 10:31 PM

I couldn't agree with you more.

I have nothing against elves, I just despise the Thalmor. I'm not the biggest fan of Ulfric, Tulius, or Titus either. Even though I'm a stormcloak I find Ulfric a racist [censored]. Titus Mede is a coward(sorry Illydoor, but I think he's a coward ) And Tulius is just plain retarded (no offense to anyone).

Don't hold back McB, tell us how you really feel!

-laughs hysterically into pillow-

From the desk of Anduial, Arch-Mage of the College of Winterhold, and Thalmor Emissary to Skyrim


Arrogant tw@ts?! Us? Let us take a moment to review history, shall we? While the Argonians and Khajiit were bounding around on all fours baying at the moons we were exploring and mapping the continents of Tamriel. Torval the Pilot acquired the Eight Islands that today serve as the site of your White Gold Tower by teaching the beastfolk natives to read! I don’t remember men buying it back from us. You pitch your proverbial tent in my home and call me arrogant because I insist that it’s mine?! We built the great towers throughout this land. We provided a language, a history, and a culture which you have since usurped, and you have the nerve to speak of our arrogance!

For centuries Elves lived in harmony with humans. The Social History of Cyrodiil remembers that ‘Malcontents, dissidents, rebels, landless younger sons, all made the difficult crossing from Atmora to the ‘New World’ of Tamriel.’ These humans came and lived amongst us in harmony ... they did not come looking to usurp a land not their own. We accommodated every human who wanted to flee his own homeland for greater opportunity in our land. We asked only that they respected our laws and sovereignty, which we had every right to do!

Only in Skyrim did this accommodation break down. Ysgramor and his ilk fled civil war in their native Atmora only to make war here in Tamriel. They arrived, looked around, and arrogantly stated that, not only was Skyrim now theirs, but High Rock and Morrowind were now their personal property as well! It mattered not to them that Elves and men had existed there in harmony for centuries. Is that not the very height of arrogance? Do not speak to me of ‘Skyrim belongs to the Nords!‘ It never did! Were it left to me I would send every ‘proud son of Skyrim’ back to their true mother in Atmora ... and make them learn to live off of a teat too cold to suckle!

Can't we try to so from the PoV of both sides

The Altmer are a bit arrogant.....

And the other races are quite single-minded....

But come on. Walk in the shoes of your enemies for once.

(KOB, don't sweat it, I don't believe him to be entirely serious... ...And, neither was I for that matter... ...It is, when all is said and done...Just a bloody game... ...)




Yes, well, I believe that what you're talking about through most of that are the Altmer...Not the Thalmor...I believed that the Thalmor and the Aldmeri Dominion were not representative of all Altmer? as in, surely all the Altmer that were born and lived away from the Summerset Isles or Valenwood were quite happy with where they were with the countries as they found them before the black boots decided to try plant themselves on innocent and the unable to fight back necks of the general populace of many countries?...

My problem is with the Thalmor, not the Altmer in general...


(While I'm sure there's going to be a lenthy riposte about how the Thalmor are the original Altmer, I have no idea, as it's only a game I play and I tend to have just the crib notes version of the history to be able to refer to ...It is, only a game... )...

@McB - The CharlieBrownTeacherVoice almost knocked me out of my chair!

@KoB - I don’t know McB all that well (yet), but I have seen enough of his posts to know that most of what he says comes from a good place (the ellipses are a dead giveaway). I guarantee you that nothing said in a public forum is enough to cause me to hold a permanent grudge (but that dreaded CharlieBrownTeacherVoice sure does come close ). My own posts may have come across as harsh, but that is because I was channeling a character who happens to be a Thalmor representative. Which is why everything said from him comes:



From the Desk of Anduial, Arch Mage of the College of Winterhold, and Thalmor Emissary to Skyrim:


Isn’t this sadly typical. I try to engage you in thoughtful debate but my words fall like so many potatoes around your ears! However, I must concede your point. Perhaps my brethren have been somewhat unyielding in their efforts to reinvigorate the pride of those elves asleep to the knowledge of all they have lost. Perhaps our ‘black boots’ might have tread more lightly around the necks of those thus afflicted were our patience not stretched beyond all endurance by the interminable ages spent waiting to reclaim that which is ours by right.

I shall now spare you the lengthy riposte about a fact that you already seem to know ... and, since I can see by the direction of the voting that my kind is not welcome in this place, I will retire.

What about the Night of Tears?

Ysgramor only returned with the 500 companions, and a mind for all out war, after the night of slaughter that only left him and his two sons!

...

'Tis true... BWAHAHAA!! Told ya...

Ach, my dear Archmage, let us away to the Tavern then?...My shout...We can discuss all this difference of philosophy until the cows come home...

This is probably going to start a full out war, but.....


No offense to any Thalmor fans out there but....

I honestly think the Thalmor need to be taught a lesson. They have no reason to act all high and mighty. Being snobby makes them more "unworthy"(if you must call it that)