To add a slightly maverick opinion, we never thought any of them were worth the price of a cup of mead to be honest.
Mostly they were all just in Niamh's way.

As a Bosmer, she considered the Thalmor to be way too uptight and full of themselves; the imperials - well let's face it they were going to have her executed, and the Stormcloaks were just a bunch of ignorant farmers in tin hats.
She had marginally more empathy with the latter, largely because they didn't try to kill her on sight, most of the time.

I guess she felt closest in nature at least to the Forsworn, but the thing was they were far too much fun as sport, so the relationship was doomed from the start...

I choose Stormcloaks without having played the game. I don´t think it´s racist to defend one´s own country, those are just modern ideas with no rhyme or reason. I would call invaders of my own country whatever name I could think of, and believe me, I do...

Most people call them racist for hating all elves and shoving the Dunmer population of their capital into a ghetto. Considering how wonderfully hateable the Thalmor are, I don't think anybody is calling them racist for trying to fight them.

Thank you for clarifying I know I shouldn´t speak up when I haven´t even played the game, I just get ticked off whenever I see the word 'racist'. It gets used too often these days I think. I hate Ford Ka, does that make me a racist?

But lets not get into that discussion too far. Suffice it to say I often root for whatever population is native to whatever land is being discussed.

This post has been edited by mirocu: Feb 9 2013, 11:37 AM

Fair comment .

skyrim is like this though , it does not bother me though because it dosent affect you as such .

it was nice to go to raven rock and see na near all-dark elf population , really kick in the teeth for the nords eh ?

Gotto love the dark eleves , arnt evil like most of them.

Interestingly only by a slim majority are the imperials leading..

i honestly cannot belive that beth would scrap the empire , the empire has been at the root of every game.

Mirocu , i to thought the stormcloaks were the right way , i admit i still have got sympathy for ulfric

but . ultimatly if the humans are going to survive they need a united front , skyrim is like the USA was to Britain during the world wars . somebody once said britain was the hero , france the martyr , america the victor .

cyrodill (france) is strong but it is , for one thing , on the border of the thalmor ,it has a large army and a strong economy , but ultimatly not as strong as the thalmore , its also for nationlistic .

When war comes cyrodill is the first place to bear the brunt , just like france was ,Britain was able to keep up its power because a. it had france as a meatshield and b . it has the channel to stop a direct land invasion ( im british dont accuse me of being anti-british )

cyrodill (fr) will always be the firts to fall in the war m this is where most of the battles will be fought , only if the cyrodill is tottally under occupation ( this almsot happended during the great war , only bruma held out because it had skyrim protecting it) then the thalmore could of launched an attck on the rest of the empire.

This was basically what happended with france , however the CORE differance was britain was detrmined and it had a very powerful defense , germany could not invade because a . it lost the air war and b. it couldnt defeat the royal navy , as such a land invasion was impossible.

with skyrim it differant , only with skyrim ( the united states) backing did cyrodill mamnage a turn-aorund in the war , if skyrim had not helped cyrodill would of lost the war .

If war came now and skyrim was indepedant , then the empire would lose , if ulfric united with hammerfell ( russia) and highrock ( Britain) then they might still be able to win the war , but the fate of humanity and creation itself would hang in the balance.

if britain , usa , fr , and of cource lets not forget russia , had not all united then they would of lost the war , like with hammerfell russia fought a bloody war of attrition that resulet in WW2 with 20 million soviets dead . france fought hard and slowly sapped the strength of germany , britain crushed germany trade , and it air/navy crippiled germany , it also lead a succesful land campain to help the french ( its worth mentioning the british empire candians here , who did exceptionally well )

the usa , fresh and still pumping out rersoureces when europe was exhasted , could basically just tank men into france , theres a question whether without america the war could of been won ( much more so in world war 2)

i see the four provence like the four powers , cyrodill is france with powerful army but it will always get overwhelmed , russia is hammerfel with determined warrirors whom can gradually beat the thalmor , high rock is britain with strong support armies and the crucial naval strength , skyrim is usa with powerful eco and lots of soldiers.

if you dont have one you lose , its that simple.

sorry i have gone on , but thats how i see it.

This post has been edited by flowerboom: Feb 9 2013, 12:14 PM

Indeed, the empire has been a major thing throughout. Although I don´t really like big empires I have a hard time picturing TES without it.

you could say the usa is an empire

Yes, and I never said I liked it The politics behind it that is, I´m fine with the country

Forgive me , your local time is just under an hour ahead of mine meaning you are not british ? From whence do you hail ?

This post has been edited by flowerboom: Feb 9 2013, 12:34 PM

I´m within that time zone but I´m not British. I hail from the Nordic provinces

your from greenalnd or iceland ? unless we are counting the netharlands as nordic.

this is going to annoy me now.

ahh but this could be a trick! if your from greenland you could say you hail from denmark as well...

or you could live on the faroe islands....

hmm sneaky sneaky

We certainly do not. Sweden here

swden is not Gmt , i just looked it up , i was quite wrong XD

sweden eh ? nice

Mirocu, I’m afraid it’s not quite like an invasion. Many Nords support their Empire, and many Stormcloaks are ex-Legion according to comments within the game.

My characters choose for themselves, if they have an interest. Jensa (a Nord) fought for the Stormcloaks and came to regret it. Mikke of Green River (another Nord) will likely join the Legion if she ever finishes up with her dragon responsibilities. Rowan Varrus (an Imperial) recently joined the Legion. All of my others deeply resent the Thalmor at the least and view the Empire as Skyrim’s best bet despite present difficulties.

And my Breton characters who hail from the Reach would never trust Ulfric, the butcher of Markarth.

Well, like I said I know I shouldn´t speak up when I haven´t even played the game. I simply don´t have enough information. Sorry ´bout that.

Oh, I didn’t mean it like a scold. Just friendly information.

No worries, friend. I´m greatful for your information

its fair to say , like all conflicts , the civil war is a complex one and one which many people have differant motives for playing a part in .

officially the war happended because of a refusal to stop worshipping talos , and a disgust at the empire . gradually it evolved into a move for total independance rather than ridding skyrim of the thalmore . some have joined for nationlistic purposes , others for riches and glory , the war has divided everybody into : camp empire and camp stormcloak

and that wasnt the actual motive of the war , its just how it developed

Also most people think ( users i mean) that ulfric stormcloak , the man rallying / behind the whole resistance movement , is a manipulative tyrant whom only declared war for his own motive rather than for skyrim.

but the empire played dirty with ulfric , its known as the "markarth incident"

basically during the great war the forsworn ( a freedom-fighting fanatical group dedicating to making the reach an independant nation because they claim it was stolen from them) took over markarth , in desperation the empire turned to ulfric to remove them.

For 2 years they ruled the reach and the time was actually quite prosperous , ulfric dutifully obeyed the empire and won the war against them , the imperial gained control again.

but his price was high , he demanded that he and his people should be allowed to worship talos , but if they allowed this the empire faced another great war months after it had ended.

The empire lied , they painted ulfric as a child-slaughtering , woman-raping , bloodthirsty , savage nord . they denounced him and humiliated him.

Just to save their own skin , they betrayed ulfric and humilated him , after what he had done for them.

This is why i still have some sympathy for ulfric , what the empire did was wrong , and i struggle to forgive them for it.