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post Mar 1 2013, 04:46 AM
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I get too many students at my job that want that. I'm there to help them with their programming assignments, not design and implement it for them. laugh.gif

Some of them ask me how to do 'part 2' of some assignment.
I ask "What are you trying to do?"
"You don't know?"
"NO."


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post Mar 1 2013, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(King Coin @ Feb 28 2013, 07:46 PM) *

I get too many students at my job that want that. I'm there to help them with their programming assignments, not design and implement it for them. laugh.gif

Some of them ask me how to do 'part 2' of some assignment.
I ask "What are you trying to do?"
"You don't know?"
"NO."


I was always trying to get people to do my homework in middle school. I *STILL occasionally try to get people to do my homework rollinglaugh.gif

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post Mar 1 2013, 06:07 PM
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You know I find the best thing to be about homework?

I don't have to do it any more.


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post Mar 1 2013, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(Colonel Mustard @ Mar 1 2013, 09:07 AM) *

You know I find the best thing to be about homework?

I don't have to do it any more.




I simply don't do my homework! biggrin.gif

Because I'm a complete punk!

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post Mar 1 2013, 07:29 PM
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Don't do that!!... ohmy.gif ...(Don't not do that? huh.gif )..

You'll wind up a bovine solid-waste-excretion* shovelling, complete div like me... biggrin.gif ...
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post Mar 1 2013, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(McBadgere @ Mar 1 2013, 10:29 AM) *

Don't do that!!... ohmy.gif ...(Don't not do that? huh.gif )..

You'll wind up a bovine solid-waste-excretion* shovelling, complete div like me... biggrin.gif ...


My *belief is that the teachers shouldn't be assigning homework. Isn't the reason we spend 7 hours at school, 5 days a week, so that we can learn what the teachers teach us?! Why give us homework of they're supposed to be teaching what's on the homework IN CLASS?!

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post Mar 1 2013, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Mar 1 2013, 06:32 PM) *
QUOTE(McBadgere @ Mar 1 2013, 10:29 AM) *

Don't do that!!... ohmy.gif ...(Don't not do that? huh.gif )..

You'll wind up a bovine solid-waste-excretion* shovelling, complete div like me... biggrin.gif ...


My *belief is that the teachers shouldn't be assigning homework. Isn't the reason we spend 7 hours at school, 5 days a week, so that we can learn what the teachers teach us?! Why give us homework of they're supposed to be teaching what's on the homework IN CLASS?!

The entire point of homework is to expand on what you've already been taught and learn under your own guidance and under your own steam. It's not teaching new stuff on the curriculum, per say, but it's teaching you how to learn.

And if your response to that is 'I already know how to learn' then I'm afraid that based on that response, I know that no, no you don't.
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post Mar 1 2013, 07:45 PM
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Easy answer...

Because they can...*Shrug*...

We have this argument each time the kids bring home a "Do a ten page essay on the various breeding cycles of the common wood-louse." type of project...

The worst ones we find are the ones where they give homework on a subject the kids haven't even covered in class... blink.gif ...

It's a damned good job my wife is genius level intellect, I tell you... biggrin.gif ...

And yes, she married me...*Points*...Oi... wink.gif ...


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The entire point of homework is to expand on what you've already been taught and learn under your own guidance and under your own steam. It's not teaching new stuff on the curriculum, per say, but it's teaching you how to learn.

And if your response to that is 'I already know how to learn' then I'm afraid that based on that response, I know that no, no you don't.


Steady on old matey... biggrin.gif ...

Sometimes the homework is set simply because the teacher runs out of time in class...And if you have a day where you get three homeworks that have to be in the next day, it's a bit much...

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post Mar 1 2013, 07:53 PM
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The entire point of homework is to expand on what you've already been taught and learn under your own guidance and under your own steam. It's not teaching new stuff on the curriculum, per say, but it's teaching you how to learn.

And if your response to that is 'I already know how to learn' then I'm afraid that based on that response, I know that no, no you don't.


You see, if I didn't know how to learn, I wouldn't be in high school, now would I? Yes, I've been held back, but that's because I'm a bit of a trouble maker.

If the teachers are going to spend an hour lecturing me on something *in class, I shouldn't have to spend 20 minutes-an hour doing homework *in each subject when I come home.

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post Mar 1 2013, 07:55 PM
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Hah... biggrin.gif ...

Sounds like you need to learn how to behave... tongue.gif ...

I'm joking...You'se obviously not an idiot...Just need to calm yourself, young one... smile.gif ...

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post Mar 1 2013, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Mar 1 2013, 06:53 PM) *
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The entire point of homework is to expand on what you've already been taught and learn under your own guidance and under your own steam. It's not teaching new stuff on the curriculum, per say, but it's teaching you how to learn.

And if your response to that is 'I already know how to learn' then I'm afraid that based on that response, I know that no, no you don't.


You see, if I didn't know how to learn, I wouldn't be in high school, now would I? Yes, I've been held back, but that's because I'm a bit of a trouble maker.

If the teachers are going to spend an hour lecturing me on something on class, I shouldn't have I spend 20 minutes-an hour doing homework when I come home.

OK, let me clarify; you will learn how to get better at learning. And as somebody who has just come out of Senior School (English high-school), having slogged my way through A-Level exams where I had entire evenings doing nothing but homework or revision, and many of them, all I will say is get your head down, apply yourself and you'll be bloody grateful for it in the long run.

Twenty minutes to an hour of homework. I'd have begged for twenty minutes to an hour of homework...


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post Mar 1 2013, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE(Colonel Mustard @ Mar 1 2013, 11:00 AM) *

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Mar 1 2013, 06:53 PM) *
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The entire point of homework is to expand on what you've already been taught and learn under your own guidance and under your own steam. It's not teaching new stuff on the curriculum, per say, but it's teaching you how to learn.

And if your response to that is 'I already know how to learn' then I'm afraid that based on that response, I know that no, no you don't.


You see, if I didn't know how to learn, I wouldn't be in high school, now would I? Yes, I've been held back, but that's because I'm a bit of a trouble maker.

If the teachers are going to spend an hour lecturing me on something on class, I shouldn't have I spend 20 minutes-an hour doing homework when I come home.

OK, let me clarify; you will learn how to get better at learning. And as somebody who has just come out of Senior School (English high-school), having slogged my way through A-Level exams where I had entire evenings doing nothing but homework or revision, and many of them, all I will say is get your head down, apply yourself and you'll be bloody grateful for it in the long run.

Twenty minutes to an hour of homework. I'd have begged for twenty minutes to an hour of homework...


Concentration is a bit of an issue for me, and the teachers at my school don't seem to understand what ADHD is dry.gif

Trust me, I try, i'm just starting to get sick of homework. And today, Im just having one of those days where everything irritates me to some degree, and I don't really want to debate this anymore. I don't like homework, and never will. And I get about 20min - an hour of homework in each subject. Not the total amount of homework get each night.

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post Mar 1 2013, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Mar 1 2013, 10:53 AM) *

If the teachers are going to spend an hour lecturing me on something *in class, I shouldn't have to spend 20 minutes-an hour doing homework when I come home.

No, you shouldn't. You should be able to master the gist of any subject with a cursory glance at the textbook. You should have teachers who can impart a profound knowledge of any subject in the time it takes for you to make microwave popcorn. But, since neither of those things have occurred yet, you get homework. wink.gif

Seriously... they are trying to prepare you for college, where a one hour lecture can be worth up to three hours (or more) of study time on your own. wacko.gif


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post Mar 1 2013, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE(Destri Melarg @ Mar 1 2013, 11:08 AM) *

QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Mar 1 2013, 10:53 AM) *

If the teachers are going to spend an hour lecturing me on something *in class, I shouldn't have to spend 20 minutes-an hour doing homework when I come home.

No, you shouldn't. You should be able to master the gist of any subject with a cursory glance at the textbook. You should have teachers who can impart a profound knowledge of any subject in the time it takes for you to make microwave popcorn. But, since neither of those things have occurred yet, you get homework. wink.gif

Seriously... they are trying to prepare you for college, where a one hour lecture can be worth up to three hours (or more) of study time on your own. wacko.gif


It's hard to pay attention to an hour lecture when you have ADHD, lol. And I get in trouble for not paying attention because the teachers don't seem to know what that is.




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Of course my hands fail to keep up with my Brain. I have to spend 20min - an hour doing homework in one subject, then another 20min - an hour in another subject, and so on.

I should fix what I wrote up there though, lol.

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QUOTE(Destri Melarg @ Mar 1 2013, 07:08 PM) *

You should have teachers who can impart a profound knowledge of any subject in the time it takes for you to make microwave popcorn. But, since neither of those things have occurred yet, you get homework. wink.gif



You obviously never saw my miraculous, (legendary dare I say?), popcorn teaching classes then - truly profound I was. tongue.gif

Sounds to me like KOB has had a stressful day, and just needs to rant to de-stress. I know how he feels, but now:

It's Friday, I've finished work for the week - IT'S THE WEEKEND!!!! (Woop, woop)
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post Mar 1 2013, 08:41 PM
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Don't go into programming KoB... Let's say 10 hours for an assignment is pretty normal. I haven't even gotten into the challenging stuff yet.


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QUOTE(King Coin @ Mar 1 2013, 11:41 AM) *

Don't go into programming KoB... Let's say 10 hours for an assignment is pretty normal. I haven't even gotten into the challenging stuff yet.


I go to an engineering school. As much as I despise homework and can't pay attention, I'm into stuff like programming and engineering smile.gif

I want to be a video game designer, lol.


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It's hard to pay attention to an hour lecture when you have ADHD, lol. And I get in trouble for not paying attention because the teachers don't seem to know what that is.




You are right, it is very hard till you learn to control it. The teachers here just want to drug the students that are hyperactive so they'll sit still. I refused to dope up either of my sons to make for a more comfortable classroom.

My older son went through school when none of the teachers knew about ADHD, he was expelled from every school he attended, I had to drive him daily to neighboring counties to get him educated. The last school that expelled him was the last county district I could reach daily to bring him to. There was no hope for him unless I could get him graduated, so I forced the school system to test him. He tested in the Junior college level (in what should have been 8th grade). The reason is that un-doped ADHD children learn faster than others, but get bored quicker too because their mind has already absorbed the info and wants to move on. The teachers are droning on and on long after the ADHD brain has grasped the concept and is ready to go on to the next subject.

I ended up having my son go for his GED so he would have a high school graduation at least, because there was no way he would have made it through school otherwise. At the young age he was, I had to sign emancipation permission for him to go to work. He did, and by the time he was 18 years old he was making 38,000 per year to file taxes on.

Later, when he learned to control his ADHD - he went back to college and was a straight A student till he joined the Army. He is still taking his college classes when he is not deployed.

My youngest son is ADHD too. With him I was prepared in advance for the battle after what I went through with his brother. Again I had to fight the schools wanting to dope him up. This time I hit the school boards and insisted on them providing a program for ADHD children using the "No child left behind" law.

It was a fight, but the school finally created a program to be tried on a trial basis. There were only fifteen children in these classes (instead of the usual 30) - and the teachers taught an accelerated learning program. My youngest son instantly went from failing to an A student. The school created an "Honors program" for these students the next year - 2-3 times the learning in the same semester as the other children, smaller classroom sizes and the ADHD kids all showed improved grades.

They don't have to teach you less, they need to teach 10X more and at a faster pace to keep you from that boredom. They need to have a smaller number of children in the classroom to cut back on the distractions for the ADHD kids, and so the teacher doesn't go nuts having 30 ADHD kids to control.

Then you have the responsibility of treating your ADHD to minimize its effects on you. It is like diabetes, you need to be rigid about not eating/drinking things that trigger it to a frenzy.

Red food dye is a huge trigger, read labels and don't eat anything with it. Ketchup, sugar, candy, carbonated soda drinks - you have to cut back on these during the school week so you can concentrate better.

You also have to do homework differently than others, because you are so distractable. Put ear plugs in and no TV/radio while you are doing homework, and about every 20-30 minutes take a break and stretch, run around for 5-10 minutes. Come back fresh and tackle it again. At least break between the next subject's homework.

Both my sons were wilder than Cooter Brown, both became A students.






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Wow mALX, that's an inspiring story!

My grades are fine, and I'm surprised I haven't been expelled yet. I've been held back because in considered too immature to move into college. I refuse to take drugs fur my ADHD. I just don't trust them.

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Red food dye is a huge trigger, read labels and don't eat anything with it. Ketchup, sugar, candy, carbonated soda drinks - you have to cut back on these during the school week so you can concentrate better.


Wow. I did not know that. I guess it's time to cut down in the sodas during the weekdays.



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You also have to do homework differently than others, because you are so distractable. Put ear plugs in and no TV/radio while you are doing homework, and about every 20-30 minutes take a break and stretch, run around for 5-10 minutes. Come back fresh and tackle it again. At least break between the next subject's homework.


I guess I could try that. The problem is even a fly that's hovering around the room can distract me. And once I get distracted, I ain't focus again wacko.gif

I still don't like homework. But that's just me I guess kvleft.gif


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QUOTE(King Of Beasts @ Mar 1 2013, 03:15 PM) *

Wow mALX, that's an inspiring story!

My grades are fine, and I'm surprised I haven't been expelled yet. I've been held back because in considered too immature to move into college. I refuse to take drugs fur my ADHD. I just don't trust them.

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Red food dye is a huge trigger, read labels and don't eat anything with it. Ketchup, sugar, candy, carbonated soda drinks - you have to cut back on these during the school week so you can concentrate better.


Wow. I did not know that. I guess it's time to cut down in the sodas during the weekdays.



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You also have to do homework differently than others, because you are so distractable. Put ear plugs in and no TV/radio while you are doing homework, and about every 20-30 minutes take a break and stretch, run around for 5-10 minutes. Come back fresh and tackle it again. At least break between the next subject's homework.


I guess I could try that. The problem is even a fly that's hovering around the room can distract me. And once I get distracted, I ain't focus again wacko.gif

I still don't like homework. But that's just me I guess kvleft.gif


Both my sons were the same, the least distraction of noise or movement would make it impossible to concentrate again. That's why going out for a run helps, it breaks your focus from the fly and clears your head to try again.

No one likes homework, it is like taking a crap. Stinks, but you have to do it to survive.





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