Molly Hatchet! I love it, (and love them - saw them in concert!).

I envy you! I love Molly Hatchet, but I never had the chance to see them live. I did see Charlie Daniels once though, that is close!

Last night I 'beat' FONV like a bad stepchild. The ending was alright, but nothing spectacular. One one hand it seemed to try to crowd a lot of things in leading up to the final showdown at the dam, like having to go to a bunch of factions and either destroy them or get them to sign on. I had already done much of that beforehand. For example, I had won over the Great Khans a long time before. But the game didn't recognize that, but at the same time I couldn't talk to them again to bring them onboard. I had to use the console to manually advance the questline, or I wouldn't have been able to go any farther. Then later on during the final battle the Khans showed up and attacked me! Oi!

Still, all of the faction romancing started to get tedious, as I just couldn't give a crap about most of them, like the Omertas. I wound up just killing the Omertas and the Brotherhood of Steel rather than bothering with trying to sweet talk them. At the same time, there were other factions I had already won over just because I liked them, but they never take part in anything. Like the super-mutants at Jacobstown and the Followers of the Apocalypse. The Boomers did show up with their refurbished B-29 Superfortress and bombed the heck out of the Legion. That was really cool to see. OTOH, I had upgraded and took over on an entire army of Securitrons from Mr. House (who I killed), and the game never let me do anything with them! That was really annoying. It made all the business of chasing Benny, getting the platinum chip, and sneaking into Caesar's camp to upgrade it pointless, since none of it ever amounted to anything.

The final battle came in two parts. The first was clearing out a Legion attack inside the dam, which again got a little tedious after the tenth group of Legionaries came running through a door. Then it moved on to assaulting the Legion camp. The fight on the dam itself to get there was cool. That is when the B-29 showed up, and it was really cool. The fight in the camp was a letdown though. It was a breeze. The final boss bad guy Lanius went down with just two bursts from my carbine (and it is not overpowered damage-wise, unlike many of the vanilla guns). I had a much greater challenge fighting the final bosses in the dlcs.

All in all, I found it to be a letdown compared to FO3's ending. That was really grand, especially Liberty Prime. That end battle was a lot more difficult, and thrilling, and the end of the game slideshow of what you had accomplished was much more satisfying.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Feb 13 2015, 04:48 PM

GAAAAAH! The Khans attacked you? Urk!

I read (tonight) that the Followers (if you recruit their help) load the Dam interior up with health/medical kits as their part in the battle. Of course, if the game is going to end right after the battle anyway, it isn't like you can loot the stuff and it will do you any good unless your health really gets low in that final battle and you actually do need it (one vid had that guy wearing the armor you just got in that DLC that pumps you with chems while you are in combat - every two seconds it was dosing him, his Stimpaks went down 50 in no time, lol).

In that vid I just mentioned - that guy went in as everyone's friend and was pulling the Wild Card ending; he had to fight Legion/NCR/Khan/and the robot army - all of them! - Now that was more like the battle I would have expected the dam to be, except it was all everyone against him (and NONE of them fighting the Legion!).

He kept getting these warnings on the center screen that he had offended this or that faction and was not trusted/disliked/hated/etc - it was kind of funny, because he could barely fight for all the reputation warnings popping up on the screen.

I think that robot army is run by a computer program that is controlled by House, or over-ridden and controlled by Yes Man - but if House is dead, the robots don't get their signal to activate (unless you insert Yes Man's software into one of the terminals).

So you have to side with one or the other of those two to get that robot army at your disposal, kind of like selling your soul for power - and that may be worthwhile if you actually saw that huge army of Securitrons rolling across the dam shooting everything in sight, right?

To be honest - I think just to see that in action, I would try a run through as a dirty scoundrel Wild Card. But that never happens. They only send them out in twos to accompany the Player through the Dam, and they never enter the Legate camp at all. The Player is on his own, except two (whoopie) securitrons - really disappointing after the huge buildup the game gives you over this battle.

Now, I have to wonder if this is like Oblivion's Battle for Bruma - where the number of people at the battle is directly related to the Player's recruiting of troops for that battle?

In all of the vids I saw NCR and Legion, in your game and in one other I saw Khan, and in three vids I saw the securitron army and Yes Man.

So maybe that romancing period is necessary to have a bigger battle, (but from what you said happened with the Khan, it would probably just be more people shooting at the Player).


OMG, that final battle in FO3 - crossing that bridge behind Liberty Prime! That was absolutely THE MOST thrilling moment in gaming history imho - for me it was. I was on the 360 going across that bridge, and the controller was jumping out of my hand with each explosion, I could barely hold it; and was yelling for my husband and son to come see it - I have never felt a thrill in a game like that before or since then.

The implosion of Raven Rock would have been another almost as thrilling, but they have that dratted Fawkes come up and talk to you right then; and by the time he shuts up the excitement is all over with. I have determined to leave him in his cell my next game just so I can enjoy watching that building implode and all those helicopters on top of it blow sky high in huge fireballs.

I love that game so much!


You are most def right, that battle did not come anywhere near the epic feel of Fallout 3's final battle - and that epicness is most def what I was looking forward to seeing, and the one reason I did not watch a vid of it in all these years - wanted to experience it the first time completely blind as to what was about to happen like I did in that Fallout 3 battle.

Did I tell you how much I am enjoying your trek through the wastelands? It has really brought me a lot of wonderful memories of some really fun times playing; and some awesome insights into these games as well! Thank you for sharing Annie's adventures, it is a blast to go through them with her!




This post has been edited by mALX: Feb 12 2015, 07:37 AM

SubRosa, I agree that ending in FNV isn't satisfying , I didn't care for most factions either and it felt tedious walking back and forth, trying to convince them to join you or wipe them out. I like the main quest up to the point when you kill Benny but afterwards not.

Though I remember that Securitons did help me in the final battle I guess you went with the NCR, right? I went with the Independent and when you beat Lanius, General Oliver ambushes you with his own army and that's when Securitrons came from behind and I could order Victor to throw Oliver over the Dam which was hilarious and other Securitrons helped me finish off the rest of his army.

How many securitrons actually fought with you on the Dam when the battle first begins up till the point you entered the Legate camp? On Youtube, I never saw more than 2 at a time helping the Player.

I was talking about the battle that takes place after you beat Lanius and General ambushes you with his army in Lanius' camp. As for how much Securitrons help you on the Dam, I don't remember anymore, but you're probably right, there aren't many.

Pfft, my first concert was Peter Frampton. I get teh cookie.

Kidding, as usual. I remember when Wyrd blurted out that name, Molly Hatchet. Definitely would go well in the Capitol Wasteland. Depending how busy I am this weekend (and whether it's sunny or not) I may play some FO3 as well. I keep getting that urge.

This post has been edited by Renee Gade IV: Feb 13 2015, 02:02 PM

I loved Frampton back in the 70s! Like they said in Wayne's World, if you were a kid in suburbs back then, you were automatically issued Frampton Comes Alive. But my very first concert was The Animals

Anyway, I finally rolled Molly Hatchet as a toon to beat the game with. (Where is Wyrd, he loves this kind of talk!). She hasn't done too much yet. Just went to Megaton, and explored Springvale and the Super Duper Mart.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT !!!!! You're back in FO3 !!! Now, if I get a break to play, I might join you there! The Super Duper Mart was my first stop too, just did the Minefield quest, already over-radiated myself (etc), lol.

So when I was making my character this time, for the first time I didn't choose "Caucasian" - really liked the look of the "African American," so decided to roll with it.

When I first set it up and closed out the facegen screen; I was in the room where you are being born, and "Daddy James" was still whiter than rice on a paper plate! I didn't realize he would stay white, so I immediately cooked up a good story line for what REALLY happened to my "Mother" after popping me out.

Imagine my surprise, when on the next scene (as a toddler) I am confronted (and cajoled by) a black man with "Daddy James's" voice! So, I was really surprised by that, but it is really cool to see a completely different "Daddy James."

Next game I start, I want to try an Asian character, dying to see an Asian Daddy James!


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This post has been edited by mALX: Feb 13 2015, 06:18 PM

OMG, Baby Daddy changes races too! Maybe he was just pale from all the excitement when you were born? I never noticed, because I don't always bother starting at the start, so to speak. I often start from a save I have from when where the game really gets going: when you are all grown up and Amata comes to you and says your father busted out. That is what I did this time with Molly in fact.

Yeah, at first I expected him to be black, then when he wasn't/stayed white - kind of thought he would stay that way! So it was really surprising to wake up as a toddler and suddenly he was black. They should have had that facegen screen before they brought Daddy James in so the changeover would be smoother,


I am really enjoying this playthrough, but I really thought there would be more of a difference in responses (like in Oblivion when you changed races). There isn't any difference that I've found so far in FO3, no racial diverse comments.

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I normally have a save right at the vault door out to the Wasteland, but when I reloaded all my files after the laptop crashed last month - for some reason my Fallout 3 game saves weren't there - I thought Steam would have them, but they didn't.

Since I had to start over anyway, wanted to try something different with my character.

I am kind of glad I lost that last save game anyway, because I'd somehow ticked off Riley's Rangers in the game I was playing before my laptop went belly-up.

(for future reference, never enter their headquarters before the quest is on and they invite you - or maybe it was looking at Riley's private notes on her computer that did it).

All I know is that after fighting my way to the top of that hotel, Riley's Rangers attacked me - I had to turn off their AI and leave them on the roof, it was an awful scene.


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This post has been edited by mALX: Feb 13 2015, 08:43 PM

Your race makes absolutely no difference in FO3 or FONV. Not even in the dialog. No one ever comments on it. You skin tone is about the only difference between the races. It is one of the things that disappointed me about the Fallout games. After having 8 playable races in TES, all with not only different appearances, but actual unique abilities, going to Fallout with only one real race (human) was a real let down. I wish they had ghouls and super-mutants playable. Maybe some other kinds of mutants as well.

This post has been edited by SubRosa: Feb 13 2015, 09:41 PM

That dialogue is what I was looking forward to, one of the reasons I decided to try this character! I really didn't expect them to show prejudice as much as I thought there would be some more affinity between my character and others of the same race, but there has been no difference in any responses.

In TES as a Khajiit I got a lot of derogatory comments that always had the word "fur" worked in the mix; ("Fur-licker," "Fur-ball," etc). But Maxical also got some very nice responses when she met other Khajiit that were most def particular to her being Khajiit.

As a Nord in Oblivion, Allesia got a lot of welcoming comments from other Nords; but was shown no prejudice from anyone due to her race; though it was mentioned by others in greetings, "Hello, Nord!"

Acadian's Buffy got some derogatory comments in Oblivion, but in Skyrim I've seen where someone called her "Little Elf," - loved that!

To me, those racial diverse comments were awesome! - And easy to achieve, not sure why it wasn't done in the Fallout games!


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This post has been edited by mALX: Feb 13 2015, 09:09 PM

I always laughed when I played an Altmer in Skyrim, and a (shorter) Nord called me "Little Elf"!

Molly Hatchet has been doing Moira's Wastland Survival Guide, and slowly but surely exploring the world on the way. For example, getting to Minefield took her several trips. First she explored Springvale and cleaned the Raiders out of its school. The she went back to Megaton and sold off her loot. The next trip got her out as far as Bethesda, which she also cleared out before returning to Megaton to rest up. She didn't reach Minefield until the third trip. Then she made a fourth trip when Moira asked her to get injured, and stood on a few mines...

Molly is currently on the way to study Mirelurks at the Anchorage War Memorial. On the way there that annoying Bryan Wilks came running out of nowhere at her, even though she wasn't close to Greyditch. I tried fast traveling, but nothing could shake the kid. So I used the console to shut down his AI and pause him where he was. Molly is only level 3, Fire Ants are a bit much at this point!

She continued on, and found the Teddy Bear factory. After loading up on bears her for bed back in Megaton, she headed down into the Sewer Waystation. She is currently working her way through the ghouls and bugs, and is hoping it lets out somewhere near the memorial. She has a stealth boy saved up for that, so hopefully she will be able to sneak by all the 'lurks inside.

- I thought that saying was particular to Wood Elves, that is so funny they would say it to Altmer!

I always just jump off the balcony outside her shop, great for two broken legs, lol. If it isn't quite enough beware, because the second jump can kill you, lol.



I usually tell Bryan to find a safe place to hole up till I get to a skill level that can handle the ants, he hides in the same place you find him at the end of the quest no matter how long it takes you to return for him, lol.

Yeah, if you try to swim down to the Anchorage Memorial the Super Mutants along one shore and raiders on the other side will have a field day with you.

In that teddy bear factory, is that where they have the giant bear up on a tricycle up in the air, or is that the Red Racer factory?

I have yet to make it past those mirelurks without having a handful of Stealth Boys,

Molly has already passed me in this game, I'll have to get playing to keep up with her!

I like to jump off the porch in front of Moira's shop and onto the roof of the Church of the Atom. The first time I did it was to fix the leaky water pipe there for Walter. Now it is just fun!

The teddy bear factor is officially called The Sewer Waystation. It is a little south and west of the Super-Duper Mart. It has a factory line with a huge amount of teddy bears on it. So it is a great place to stock up on them, especially when you are starting out and want to decorate! There is also a big sewer hatch that goes down into a long sewer line below. There are radroaches inside, and at least one radscorpion.

Oh, I love that water pipe quest, a good way to earn some caps early on - but that one pipe is really hard to find!

Does that sewer comes out right near the boat dock for Point Lookout? When I do anything in that area, I brave the couple radroaches and possible radscorpions and grab up all those bears too, lol.

Somewhere in the Wasteland is a factory with an overly large bear riding a bike hanging from the ceiling. I can't remember where you find it!

I might get my girl out and play a while in the Wasteland, try to catch up to Molly.


Edit: I found it, it is in the Red Racer factory.

This isn't it, but I found this instead and couldnt stop laughing - what happened to this side of Bethesda in Skyrim? Were there any Easter Eggs in Skyrim other than the Maiq the Liar sighting?






This post has been edited by mALX: Feb 15 2015, 04:36 AM

The gnome is taking pictures!

Skyrim did have the Luke Skywalker reference in Bleakcoast Cave, with the skeleton hanging from the ceiling, and a sword stuck in the ground just out of reach.

A lot of the forts also have potions of fortify one-handed or two-handed in the toilets!

Yay! Finally I can read Sub´s updates and actually pretend to give a hoot!


Love that teddy bear factory! Thanks for reminding me about it!


So did Morrowind but it was on Solstheim

This post has been edited by mirocu: Feb 15 2015, 07:52 PM

I love what they did with the teddies and gnomes in Fallout 3! There were so many of them!


Bold: OMG, this had me rolling !!! I have not noticed that !!!