Oh, ok. Well maybe I´ve actually leaned more towards Alaska but since hickok45 lives in Tennessee I have reconsidered


So, was down at the dealer today. They won´t take the ammo even though the boxes are sealed and I have to put up some money in between (about 140 bucks) but frankly I don´t care. And the gun may be smaller since it´s a finer caliber but it has a good mechanism and holds 15 rounds, and I won´t have to deal with loose mags and cleaning them all the time.

All in all I can´t wait to get my new Chiappa!!

This post has been edited by mirocu: Jul 12 2016, 03:54 PM

Wow! I can't believe a) how long it's been since I've been here, and how smart y'all (excuse my Southern) are about guns.

Here in the US, gun control is a huge hot-button issue, especially after any sort of shooting. Ultra-conservatives want their guns no holds barred, and ultra-liberals want them banned. I'm somewhere in the middle. I like to shoot, I like to hunt, (though admittedly WAY less than the rest of my family. They're really into it, while I've become more of a city dweller now that I'm older) but I also understand the need for stricter laws regarding the purchase of firearms. I was taught to handle, store, and fire guns safely from a young age, but not everyone has that background, so fear can grow quickly, and does. Often.

My dad was in law enforcement (game warden) and grew up hunting and fishing in rural areas, as did I. Now that he's retired from that, he works at a shooting range that offers classes on how to shoot and do so safely, which in my opinion, is awesome. I love to shoot, and I'm pretty good at it, and would hate for it to become illegal altogether, but at the same time, I don't keep the guns I own - I let my dad store them, because he has the proper safety measures in place that I can't afford at this point in my life. But on the other hand, there are so many people in my country with firearms that don't give them the proper respect. Thoughts?

About not giving guns the respect that´s needed?


Well, unless they do something outright illegal it´s hard for me to accept a ban. If someone by clear, illegal actions (not going into details here) prove they are not fit to own guns then those individuals should not have them. Hard to give specifics though and I think I prefer to stay away from making calls.

What I will say though, I think those who are regular law-abiding citizens with no violent criminal record should not be restricted as long as they keep their guns away from anyone to just take.

I don't want to get too political and upset anyone. I will post this article on assault weapons, written by the New York times of all places:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunda...eapon-myth.html

The article basically explains that despite getting all of the media's attention for months on end after a high profile shooting, rifles account for about 2% of firearm deaths in the United States.

My opinion as a poster and not a representative of the site:

There is a huge amount of info out there that shows that you are approximately 4x as likely to be murdered by an attacker with a knife than a rifle. This information is from the FBI. The vast majority of firearm related deaths in the USA are committed with handguns. Then you get into the part that people don't like to discuss, which is about 2/3 of firearm deaths included in gun violence statistics are suicides and not murders. Yes we include people who intentionally take their own lives in our firearm death statistics in the USA, which seems a little disingenuous in my opinion.

We have a murder problem too but the vast majority of murders are committed in large cities, even in states or cities with strict gun control. These crimes are also mainly drug/gang related. The FBI has even stated that the 1994 assault weapons ban had little effect on violence and even the most prolific mass shooting in US history prior to last month, the Columbine school shooting, was committed during the assault weapons ban. Overall violence is still and has been on a steady decline in the USA for over a decade.

I do think that mental health records should be a part of background checks for self committed individuals (we only bar sales from people who were forcibly committed to institutions) and I think that they should disallow sales to people on terror watch lists AS LONG as we put a system in place to contest this, which does not yet exist. I don't think any system put in place without due process is a good idea.

Some people point to the UK and Australia and contrast them to the United states but the reality is that the USA shares two massive borders that are easy to smuggle things across. The USA is not a small isolated island where you could easily stop arms dealers from importing guns into even if they were to be banned. There is also the statistical improbability that the USA could ever pick up the 300+ million firearms already here...a British or Australian style system would never work here even if it wasn't a constitutional right.

I won't take any offense whatsoever if anyone has another argument or if Mirocu (or another poster) wants this post removed from Mirocu's non political thread. I rarely voice my opinions because I don't want people thinking that my opinions are law or off limits for discussion just because I am a moderator.

In Tennessee they say, "If you outlaw guns, the only people who will have guns will be outlaws."

Gun controls only stop normal citizens from obtaining guns; the criminal element will still (and always) be able to access them.

I do agree with the idea that people buying guns should have to register them including taking a gun handling safety class before being released their permit.

(but that is just my opinion)

The worst thing about guns in America is not the gun laws but the gun culture.

What about the 1.8 registered firearms in the UK? Why is the murder rate with guns low with a record number of guns registered? The UK is lucky it does not have gangs made up of hundreds of members clashing over drugs/turf inside major cities. It also, if I'm not mistaken, does not report it's suicides in the same category as other shootings.

I'm very very pro-gun, I was just commenting on how conservative American gun culture can be. Good thing is we might start to see a small rise in queer/leftist gun culture but it'd still be minuscule in comparison to the stereotypical conservative gun culture in America.

So I am not sure what you are saying.

My mistake. I thought you were just attacking gun owners without any further explanation.

And yes, there has been a massive surge in gun sales by gay men/women because they're (rightfully) worried about being targeted. I feel horrible for the reason that they're buying them but it's a harsh world and people are targeted for almost anything these days.

Hopefully we get more LGBTQI+ **EXCLUSIVE**(looking at you Pink Pistols!) gun clubs in the future.

This post has been edited by ImperialSnob: Jul 13 2016, 08:20 PM

This is all good and well, but I would be a happy bird if we got back to simply talk about shooting for fun. I can be very political myself and certainly about gun laws and so, but I didn´t want this thread to be about that. Some discussion is ok, but I think we can drop it for now. Otherwise it can get out of hand and take over since there is certainly much to be said about this subject



I didn´t look it up first, but the gun I´m getting is a takedown model. It has a big screw on the right side of the receiver and if you unscrew it, the whole gun comes apart which makes it easier for transport and storage. Could have lived without it tbh, but this was the only lever gun in .22 they had.

It´s also the standard model. The de luxe model has checkered grips and is otherwise a bit snassier, but whatev. I´m but a humble peasant anyway

No problem. Apologies Mirocu.

No apologies needed, I assure you

I wanted to know what is the better stance/grip for holding a pistol, and why?


Between this:


http://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploa...P01_DA_0425.jpg



and this:


http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads...ck_67040473.jpg

The incorrect posture is on one leg, with the other foot raised as a target.

Pictures, or it didn't happen! BWAAHAA!


http://assets2.doyouyoga.com/uploads/2015/...istol-Squat.jpg


"Oops!"


http://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2...hot-in-foot.jpg



GAAAAAH! Look out for the guy behind you!


http://cdn0.wideopenspaces.com/wp-content/...ftd-10trick.jpg



"Would the audience in section B please vacate with all haste..."


http://www.wildwestcossack.com/wild_west_p...g_Wisconsin.jpg





This post has been edited by mALX: Jul 14 2016, 05:46 PM

Neither. Most shooters use a two handed weaver stance.

Is that like this?


http://aliengearholsters.com/media/wysiwyg/Blog54-4.png


(and that kind of didn't answer my question, I want to know what is the best to use and why).




This post has been edited by mALX: Jul 14 2016, 07:11 PM

That's the one. The weaver stance is the most useful because of several things. Mainly it positions your body in a way that works with physics.

It looks simple but there is actually a lot going on. Your feet are set about shoulder length apart with the foot on your shooting hand in the back and the foot on your weak hand up front similar to a boxer's stance. This centers your weight and makes sure you have a stable shooting stance.

Your primary hand holds the gun and your arm is straight. The secondary hand wraps around your fingers ahead of the pistol's grip and pulls inward toward your body slightly. This helps to tame the upward recoil when you actually fire. Look at it like this: If you hold one hand out in front of you in a fist and someone slaps the bottom your hand moves upward. So your off hand is helping to hold your shooting hand stable while the firearm's recoil pushes upwards and tries to pivot your wrist upward.

Finally, you lean slightly forward. Keeping your weight ahead of you keeps your upper body from moving backward when firing. Because of the way physics exerts force when you hold something that is essentially detonating a contained explosion away from you your body will try to bend rearward. If you lean forward your core absorbs that force by placing it in the center of your already stable position.

During my career, I put a lot of pistol rounds downrange - mostly .45 and 9mm. I agree with Kiln's assessment.