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post Jul 4 2018, 05:17 PM
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It all depends on what the building are from. Wood will warp and collapse the quickest. Brick and stone will last longer, and steel framed buildings the longest. The foundation is important too. A building set in bedrock will last a long time. The skyscrapers in Manhattan will be some of the longest lasting buildings after humans are gone. Concrete is porous however. It absorbs water, which gets down to the rebar inside it and causes it to rust. Then it swells up three times its normal size, and busts the concrete. That is what destroys our roads here in Michigan.


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post Jul 4 2018, 05:41 PM
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post Jul 4 2018, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jul 4 2018, 11:17 AM) *

It all depends on what the building are from. Wood will warp and collapse the quickest. Brick and stone will last longer, and steel framed buildings the longest. The foundation is important too. A building set in bedrock will last a long time. The skyscrapers in Manhattan will be some of the longest lasting buildings after humans are gone. Concrete is porous however. It absorbs water, which gets down to the rebar inside it and causes it to rust. Then it swells up three times its normal size, and busts the concrete. That is what destroys our roads here in Michigan.

Hmm, that’s pretty much what Khajiit thought. Oh well, it’s not like what this one is thinking about has to be realistic. Thanks for your input!

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post Jul 5 2018, 01:06 AM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jul 4 2018, 11:17 AM) *

It all depends on what the building are from. Wood will warp and collapse the quickest. Brick and stone will last longer, and steel framed buildings the longest. The foundation is important too. A building set in bedrock will last a long time. The skyscrapers in Manhattan will be some of the longest lasting buildings after humans are gone. Concrete is porous however. It absorbs water, which gets down to the rebar inside it and causes it to rust. Then it swells up three times its normal size, and busts the concrete. That is what destroys our roads here in Michigan.

I've a vague memory of reading somewhere that Roman concrete, at least some variants of it, was superior to that usually used nowadays, at least in the US. It could last far far longer, provided it wasn't deliberately marred, as is too often the case over the centuries. Do I remember correctly? A case in point being the Pantheon. A good bit of it was allowed to remain intact, if stripped of most ornamentation. It's held up very well over the millennia, and contains much concrete of various sorts.


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post Jul 5 2018, 01:14 AM
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QUOTE(Decrepit @ Jul 4 2018, 07:06 PM) *

I've a vague memory of reading somewhere that Roman concrete, at least some variants of it, was superior to that usually used nowadays, at least in the US. It could last far far longer, provided it wasn't deliberately marred, as is too often the case over the centuries. Do I remember correctly? A case in point being the Pantheon. A good bit of it was allowed to remain intact, if stripped of most ornamentation. It's held up very well over the millennia, and contains much concrete of various sorts.

Yeah Khajiit saw a documentary on it somewhere and supposedly it also did a really good job underwater for docks and such.


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post Jul 5 2018, 01:20 AM
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For the docks, I think I saw a video or article somewhere that they used some kind of lime? substance? that is actually reinforced by seawater whenever the waves lap against it. Real smart stuff if you ask me. It basically automatically strengthens itself.


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post Jul 5 2018, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE(Uleni Athram @ Jul 4 2018, 07:20 PM) *

For the docks, I think I saw a video or article somewhere that they used some kind of lime? substance? that is actually reinforced by seawater whenever the waves lap against it. Real smart stuff if you ask me. It basically automatically strengthens itself.

Yes! This is what Khajiit saw!


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post Jul 5 2018, 02:17 AM
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You folks are correct. Roman concrete was very strong because it incorporated volcanic sand, which helped prevent cracking. They had a marine version that used quicklime and the volcanic sand that was made stronger by seawater. Modern concrete falls apart when you add seawater. Wait, looking at our roads, I could have just said 'modern concrete falls apart'... wink.gif


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post Jul 5 2018, 02:24 AM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jul 4 2018, 08:17 PM) *

You folks are correct. Roman concrete was very strong because it incorporated volcanic sand, which helped prevent cracking. They had a marine version that used quicklime and the volcanic sand that was made stronger by seawater. Modern concrete falls apart when you add seawater. Wait, looking at our roads, I could have just said 'modern concrete falls apart'... wink.gif

Y’all probably use a lot of salt on your roads too, eh? During the Winter?


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post Jul 5 2018, 04:28 AM
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post Jul 5 2018, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Jul 4 2018, 09:24 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jul 4 2018, 08:17 PM) *

You folks are correct. Roman concrete was very strong because it incorporated volcanic sand, which helped prevent cracking. They had a marine version that used quicklime and the volcanic sand that was made stronger by seawater. Modern concrete falls apart when you add seawater. Wait, looking at our roads, I could have just said 'modern concrete falls apart'... wink.gif

Y’all probably use a lot of salt on your roads too, eh? During the Winter?

Yes we do. Not to mention that when it is freezing the concrete naturally contracts, and then during the summer the heat makes it expand.


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post Jul 5 2018, 02:59 PM
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Isn't there some effect like the tempering of metal involved, too? Roman concrete cured slowly, resulting in a more rock-like result. These days we want quick-drying, which means crumblier fine structure.


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post Jul 5 2018, 03:41 PM
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post Jul 5 2018, 05:51 PM
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Wrong color behrd. I can still read that. tongue.gif

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post Jul 5 2018, 06:35 PM
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I can still read that Kane.


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post Jul 5 2018, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE(mirocu @ Jul 5 2018, 09:41 AM) *

Kane taught me to do this.


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post Jul 5 2018, 10:04 PM
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I’m using the black background and I can see what you guys are posting.


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post Jul 6 2018, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE(ghastley @ Jul 5 2018, 09:59 AM) *

Isn't there some effect like the tempering of metal involved, too? Roman concrete cured slowly, resulting in a more rock-like result. These days we want quick-drying, which means crumblier fine structure.

I suspect that the contractors who work on the roads want it to fall apart in 4 years, so they can get a new contract to rip it all out and do it over again, and again, and again. No, I am not cynical at all...


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post Jul 6 2018, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jul 6 2018, 01:34 AM) *

QUOTE(ghastley @ Jul 5 2018, 09:59 AM) *

Isn't there some effect like the tempering of metal involved, too? Roman concrete cured slowly, resulting in a more rock-like result. These days we want quick-drying, which means crumblier fine structure.

I suspect that the contractors who work on the roads want it to fall apart in 4 years, so they can get a new contract to rip it all out and do it over again, and again, and again. No, I am not cynical at all...



In California, they do road work just to waste money so they'll get the same or a bigger budget the next year.

If they do quality work, they won't get as much money and will be SoL if they actually need it for something.


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post Jul 6 2018, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(Kane @ Jul 5 2018, 06:51 PM) *

Wrong color behrd. I can still read that. tongue.gif

Gotta use color code #C2B8AE

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I couldn't find the right [CENSORED] one rollinglaugh.gif


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