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post May 1 2012, 07:20 PM
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SubRosa
post Jun 9 2012, 02:27 AM
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Lets not forget that blotting out the sun would mean that all the plants would die. Then all the animals and people who eat said plants would die. Then the vampires would die too, as they would have no one left to feed upon. Then the prophecy of vampire eradication would come true, and all because of the vampires themselves. Too bad no one would be left alive, because they would be laughing their rear ends off at the irony. biggrin.gif

Really, how come these Evil Overlords never think these things through?

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post Jun 9 2012, 03:53 AM
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QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jun 9 2012, 02:27 AM) *

Lets not forget that blotting out the sun would mean that all the plants would die. Then all the animals and people who eat said plants would die. Then the vampires would die too, as they would have no one left to feed upon. Then the prophecy of vampire eradication would come true, and all because of the vampires themselves. Too bad no one would be left alive, because they would be laughing their rear ends off at the irony. biggrin.gif

Really, how come these Evil Overlords never think these things through?


Real world physics are different from Nirn, they do not apply where magic and dragons churn about. And actually, patching up the sun will basically remove a very large hole from mundus. Which is better than the dawnguard's option. Magnus's whistle will no longer allow as much aetherial magicka to seep into mundus, a bad thing to some, a better option for others. The streaming amount after such an event should be equal to what the ayleids harvested within their wells, smaller but still prevalent. For the stars will still be within the night's call, as they are smaller rips into aetherius. Giving those few mages left some source of power.

All life would definitely not be extinct. The aedra operate independently from Magnus's gate, the sun. Kynareth will still be around, Arkay will still be around, Akatosh will still be around, Dibella will still be around, Mara will still be around, Zenithar will still be around, Stendarr will still be around, Julianos will still be around. They support mundus, as long as they are still around, all will be alright. So the argument of 'no sun, no life' is as void as Sithis.

There is a good reason the vampires want to survive during the incoming apocalypse. I am quite confident they are aware of the circumstance of Aetherius and the cosmos of Magnus, thus putting their plans into motion to blot out the sun, their only greatest celestial enemy.

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post Jun 9 2012, 05:24 AM
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QUOTE(Darkness Eternal @ Jun 8 2012, 10:53 PM) *

QUOTE(SubRosa @ Jun 9 2012, 02:27 AM) *

Lets not forget that blotting out the sun would mean that all the plants would die. Then all the animals and people who eat said plants would die. Then the vampires would die too, as they would have no one left to feed upon. Then the prophecy of vampire eradication would come true, and all because of the vampires themselves. Too bad no one would be left alive, because they would be laughing their rear ends off at the irony. biggrin.gif

Really, how come these Evil Overlords never think these things through?


Real world physics are different from Nirn, they do not apply where magic and dragons churn about. And actually, patching up the sun will basically remove a very large hole from mundus. Which is better than the dawnguard's option. Magnus's whistle will no longer allow as much aetherial magicka to seep into mundus, a bad thing to some, a better option for others. The streaming amount after such an event should be equal to what the ayleids harvested within their wells, smaller but still prevalent. For the stars will still be within the night's call, as they are smaller rips into aetherius. Giving those few mages left some source of power.

All life would definitely not be extinct. The aedra operate independently from Magnus's gate, the sun. Kynareth will still be around, Arkay will still be around, Akatosh will still be around, Dibella will still be around, Mara will still be around, Zenithar will still be around, Stendarr will still be around, Julianos will still be around. They support mundus, as long as they are still around, all will be alright. So the argument of 'no sun, no life' is as void as Sithis.

There is a good reason the vampires want to survive during the incoming apocalypse. I am quite confident they are aware of the circumstance of Aetherius and the cosmos of Magnus, thus putting their plans into motion to blot out the sun, their only greatest celestial enemy.

While my initial post was mostly in jest, the truth is I have seen nothing in TES that suggests that trees, grass, wheat, corn, and other plants do not require sunlight to grow. Nor have I seen anything to suggest that people do not need to eat food to survive. Come to think of it, I have not seen anything to make me believe that Nirnish plants do not create oxygen, and that animals do not require that to breathe. We need a spell to breathe underwater, so obviously we have to breathe something, and it must not be liquid, since we cannot breathe underwater naturally. Likewise, many other real world physics have not been chucked out the window either. Gravity still works. Things still get old. Other things get born. Fire burns. Rain falls, lightning cracks, etc... The truth is Nirn is very much like the Real World. It has to be, or Bethesda would have to do an awful lot of work creating new laws of nature to explain how their world is different from ours, and players would have a very hard time relating to a place that really was totally alien to them.

Even the Aedra would not be fine and dandy. One thing that is clear is that their fates are bound to the people, and vice-versa. That is how the Orisimer got all green, because of Trinimac turning into Malacath. It is also the Thalmor's big plot. Outlaw the worship of Talos, and eventually people will stop believing in him. When that happens Talos is unmade, which in turn unmakes the universe. So when everyone dies, the Nine (or Eight if you are an Imperial) Divines will be about as well as the cold and dead husk the world will have turned into.

It honestly is a real end of the world scenario. One that most people probably have simply not thought through because they think the basic idea sounds cool (even if Mr. Burns thought of it first...). People often get caught up in the dazzle, and do not look any deeper. That is how the ad industry works after all.

Now to be honest, I am not really sure if the ES vampires actually need blood to survive. If they do not, then they will be just fine and dandy on the bleak, lifeless world they create. If they do, wiping out the prey animals they depend upon to survive is not the smartest maneuver. Like I said before, the irony really is amusing. I would hope that they would pull it off, just so they could die by their own machinations. That is always the best way for an Evil Overlord to go.

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