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[Epy]

Hullo, people!

The doors are open again, and the first rounds are on the house.

The door sign says:

This is meant to be a place where you can talk about anything without having to stay on topic. Feel free to ask questions, to talk about the things in your life you like to share with your fellow-members. Or just step inside for a while, have a coffe and a good chat!
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But if the conversation degrades to spam, you will be treated as though you are spamming anywhere else on the forum. This is a thread where you can relax and talk about personal things, but it is not to be used as an excuse to make pointless posts.
Please help to keep this alive and well and a place where we can meet and share.
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Before digging into the cookie-barrels, though... Behold - and behold ye well - the slightly more elaborate rules addendum.

We had intended the coffee shop to be a nice place where people could talk about their daily activities and such, kinda like the Lurkers Lair on the Official Forums.
It didn't quite turn out that way though, people have been taking advantage of their freedoms in here, there has been a lot of spamming and even some flaming. We will not tolerate that any longer.
So unfortunately we've had to decide to increase the rules for this thread. Of course the normal forum rules still apply, but we'll elaborate here.:
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We consider double posting and posting posts with only a few words to be spam. If you do that your post will be deleter or moved, do it too often and you might receive a warning for it.
We also consider chit-chat spam. This forum has a special chat channel for chatting, you're welcome to go there, and chat with other members or with the staff as we're always there, doing it in here is not allowed.
The address to that chatroom is:
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And for assistence to use a chat like this, I recommend looking over this thread:
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[HyPN0]

I've had them yell abuse at me and then ask for 20p, or claim to be diabetic and need to go to the hospital...all kinds of pathetic lies. Personally I have more respect for someone who actually works and gets themselves out of that situation, rather than succumbing to just sitting on their scabby backsides, bugging the hell out of passers by and saying things like "look into your heart..." in a mournful tone, as though the fact that I've worked my british boat off to afford a burger is justification for me to give it to them for free.

I agree. British boat,eh?
It's a censored word here.

There is always SOMETHING that can be done. Even if it's street entertainment. I'd rather give my money to a talentless busker than a beggar that just seems to think he has some god-given right to be supported by everyone else.

But what if it's a war veteran,without arms or legs?They can't do anything.Or if they have some kind of a disease that prevents them from working?
But i agree that i won't give my money to a perfectly healthy adult male or a female.No sir!

And it annoys the hell out of me that charity workers automatically assume that you're loaded just because you try and look presentable and can scrape enough to get by. I once was walking through LAX and one said "Fine, go and enjoy your burger." I ripped into that one like no tomorrow. I showed her exactly how much I had in my wallet, and exactly what I'd been through in the last 24 hours, and I rammed her rhetoric down her throat until she burst out crying and left. That made me feel very good.

Oh,c'mon that's evil!
Just say: I don't have any money to give you.Period.No need to get rude,even if the person who's asking for money is rude.

The ironic thing is that, with student loans, I am in infinitely more finanical trouble (the kind of debt that you can stick 4 zeros after) than any of these lazy beggars, but you don't see me parading myself and expecting anything for free.

And it's good to rely only to yourself.
But when you start working ,you will get your debts of somehow.
You have a source of income,but those people don't,so it's not really a fair compare
However as i said if the homeless person has a chance of geting an income,that's another story.

I don't give money to the homeless, I give them food. When I have some time and I see a mentally fit homeless person in need of food, I buy them a sub or make them a sandwich, give them a blanket, maybe a cheap carrying case and the location of the new homeless shelter.

Well,what if the person is perfectly fit to work?I wouldn't even consider giving anything if he\she is 2 times biger than me.If nothing else,physical work is (almost)always available.

I find it more reasonable because it helps you stay away from giving money to drug abusers and alchoholics, and you don't have to fear giving money to a pan handling thief (one who pretends to be homeless).

Pretend to be homeless?
To be perfectly honest,i didn't even know people do that.



Anyway,here in Nederland i don't give money to begars.
Nederland has one of the best social systems in the world.Social help is 800 Euros which is enough to get a small room,to eat and to always be dressed.A minimal thing for a human being,but it's here until you get the job.The only people that are beging are those who spend their money in casinos,are druged or drunk the whole day,don't want to spend thier time on education (Nederland gives a lot of options on this field).Such people simply don't deserve to be given any charity

This post has been edited by HyPN0: May 7 2006, 03:31 PM

[Foster]

But what if it's a war veteran,without arms or legs?They can't do anything.Or if they have some kind of a disease that prevents them from working?
But i agree that i won't give my money to a perfectly healthy adult male or a female.No sir!

You see there is this wonderful thing called compensation, and also a fantastic thing known as a military pension, which all ex-servicemen in this country get. If they have a disease they get free treatment on the National Health Service, and if they can't work they get disability benefit. In fact, they get such a decent benefit that many people who could work don't and claim benefit to sponge off the government. I've known quite a few people that do it. They might seem poor, but it's funny how the people who don't work for a living are the only ones that can afford a widescreen plasma TV.

Currently I don't have a source of income, and I don't even have a job lined up. In fact, I don't even know if I want one. But you're not going to see me expecting money off people just because I'm too lazy to get to the job centre and do anything. There is no homeless person in the UK that has no way of either earning money, or getting some kind of help. Even if they are at the bottom of the rung, they can always sell "Big Issue".