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Kane |
Aug 2 2017, 03:46 AM
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Hi folks -I'm finally making a big dive into Oblivion, and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions to help with face and looks textures. So far, Melora (Dunmer) is running these mods: Blockhead Natural Faces Oblivion Character Overhaul Any help is appreciated! Melora
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Wrapped in furs beneath the northern lights From my cave I watch the land untamed And wonder if some becoming season Will make the angel melt in shame
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monkeyemoness |
Aug 2 2017, 03:13 PM
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And the screenshot is with Oblivion Character Overhaul? Nuska's OCO? I'm guessing Natural Faces is overwriting a few things (I've never used Natural Faces), because that doesn't look like a Dunmer from Nuska's OCO. I'd ask if it was v1 or v2? but it seems that OCO v1 is gone now (and Nuska's banned from the Nexus????) I wouldn't use both, since Natural Faces is meant for Vanilla and OCO is, well, an overhaul. Unless that's what you were going for. But yeah, I vouch for OCO. The latest v1 offered a decent alternative to v2 before it was gone. v2 has its issues but overall it makes character faces A LOT better than vanilla. You may need some patches to fix some NPCs because it's pretty obvious the mod was thrown in as-is with no regard to what the NPC's look like with the new visuals. Compatibility Patches? A friend went and fixed some NPC's herself and shared the patch with me but I haven't seen her in a while so I'm not sure where to get it from. :V This post has been edited by monkeyemoness: Aug 2 2017, 03:35 PM
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ghastley |
Aug 2 2017, 04:02 PM
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I haven't been back to Oblivion for a while, but I recall that there were a few more options like a replacement head mesh that you didn't mention. (Head06 by throttlekitty) Just like Skyrim, you need texture replacers that map to the heads and bodies you choose, and you could make your own using some Photoshop layer kits (also worked OK in GIMP). I did the latter, and mixed and matched layers from multiple mods. It was also possible to use a body replacer as "clothing" to have one NPC a different shape from another when naked, and of course the clothing could include a variant body size. Extreme example
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Aug 2 2017, 04:38 PM
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Joined: 28-September 16
From: Sheogorath's shrine talking to myselves!
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QUOTE(Cain @ Aug 2 2017, 07:49 AM) You really think so? I've only invested time into Skyrim thus far, so maybe my expectations were a little too lofty. Yeah, in Khajiit's opinion, you aren't going to get a great looking character in Oblivion. The system Beth instituted for character creation is just... off. This one really does think that she's a whole lot better looking than vanilla though.
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"Family is an odd thing, is it not? Defined by blood, separated by blood, joined by blood. In the end, it's all just blood." -Dhaunayne Aundae
May you walk on warm sands!
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Kane |
Aug 2 2017, 04:55 PM
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Master
Joined: 26-September 16
From: Hammerfell
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QUOTE(monkeyemoness @ Aug 2 2017, 10:13 AM) And the screenshot is with Oblivion Character Overhaul? Nuska's OCO? I'm guessing Natural Faces is overwriting a few things (I've never used Natural Faces), because that doesn't look like a Dunmer from Nuska's OCO. I'd ask if it was v1 or v2? but it seems that OCO v1 is gone now (and Nuska's banned from the Nexus????) I wouldn't use both, since Natural Faces is meant for Vanilla and OCO is, well, an overhaul. Unless that's what you were going for. But yeah, I vouch for OCO. The latest v1 offered a decent alternative to v2 before it was gone. v2 has its issues but overall it makes character faces A LOT better than vanilla. You may need some patches to fix some NPCs because it's pretty obvious the mod was thrown in as-is with no regard to what the NPC's look like with the new visuals. Compatibility Patches? A friend went and fixed some NPC's herself and shared the patch with me but I haven't seen her in a while so I'm not sure where to get it from. :V Nuska indeed. Didn't realize natural faces was an overwrite - wouldn't have added that one. QUOTE(ghastley @ Aug 2 2017, 11:02 AM) I haven't been back to Oblivion for a while, but I recall that there were a few more options like a replacement head mesh that you didn't mention. (Head06 by throttlekitty) Just like Skyrim, you need texture replacers that map to the heads and bodies you choose, and you could make your own using some Photoshop layer kits (also worked OK in GIMP). I did the latter, and mixed and matched layers from multiple mods. It was also possible to use a body replacer as "clothing" to have one NPC a different shape from another when naked, and of course the clothing could include a variant body size. Extreme exampleThanks - I'll have to look into this, too. QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Aug 2 2017, 11:38 AM) QUOTE(Cain @ Aug 2 2017, 07:49 AM) You really think so? I've only invested time into Skyrim thus far, so maybe my expectations were a little too lofty. Yeah, in Khajiit's opinion, you aren't going to get a great looking character in Oblivion. The system Beth instituted for character creation is just... off. This one really does think that she's a whole lot better looking than vanilla though. I think she just needs more tweaking (and less blue).
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Wrapped in furs beneath the northern lights From my cave I watch the land untamed And wonder if some becoming season Will make the angel melt in shame
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Aug 2 2017, 05:11 PM
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Joined: 28-September 16
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QUOTE(Cain @ Aug 2 2017, 10:55 AM) QUOTE(TheCheshireKhajiit @ Aug 2 2017, 11:38 AM) QUOTE(Cain @ Aug 2 2017, 07:49 AM) You really think so? I've only invested time into Skyrim thus far, so maybe my expectations were a little too lofty. Yeah, in Khajiit's opinion, you aren't going to get a great looking character in Oblivion. The system Beth instituted for character creation is just... off. This one really does think that she's a whole lot better looking than vanilla though. I think she just needs more tweaking (and less blue). Yeah in vanilla you had to seriously play with the skin tone sliders to get a Dunmer that didn't look like a smurf. Khajiit actually did have some success with this, turning his Dunmer characters a dark, slightly greenish grey color.
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"Family is an odd thing, is it not? Defined by blood, separated by blood, joined by blood. In the end, it's all just blood." -Dhaunayne Aundae
May you walk on warm sands!
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Kane |
Aug 2 2017, 05:30 PM
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Master
Joined: 26-September 16
From: Hammerfell
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Made some progress!! I removed Natural Faces, and installed Compatibility Patches, and Seamless. This was the result: Melora
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Wrapped in furs beneath the northern lights From my cave I watch the land untamed And wonder if some becoming season Will make the angel melt in shame
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Kane |
Aug 3 2017, 02:02 PM
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Master
Joined: 26-September 16
From: Hammerfell
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QUOTE(Decrepit @ Aug 2 2017, 07:19 PM) Lots of folks have beat me to the punch on this one. Looks like you're getting there!!!! OCOv2 is indeed the way to go, imo. Bevilex devotes a section of his Oblivion Graphics Modlist? to OCO and add-ons. I followed its body/face recommendations to the letter for my experimental Oblivion build. You can see the results in my recent screenshots posted in the appropriate Oblivion sub-forum thread. Bear in mind that almost all experimental build captures also feature Oblivion Reloaded, which further improves graphics. More recent shots feature both Oblivion Reloaded and an ENB, though with that combo I've still got a number of graphical kinks to iron out. ooh, thanks for that link! I'll have to go check your screens, too.
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Wrapped in furs beneath the northern lights From my cave I watch the land untamed And wonder if some becoming season Will make the angel melt in shame
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Lena Wolf |
Sep 10 2024, 03:53 PM
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Mouth
Joined: 18-May 21
From: Bravil
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OCO tends to mess up faces of NPCs added by mods because, well, it messes up faces. That is, faces need to be redone to look good with OCO. You may want to check whether there are OCO patches for the mods you want to use, if you are looking to install quest mods in particular. You'd notice those NPCs more than some random bandits. There are also a number of new mods that modify vanilla heads by gently changing the mesh. They are designed to work with vanilla faces, that is, they don't deform them. The results are quite impressive! It is suprising how little the mesh needs to be changed for the face to look different. For example, see this: Undeformed Potatoes - fixes up vanilla NPCs without changing the mesh. Enhanced Vanilla Faces - changes the mesh slightly which improves vanilla faces. Works well with Undeformed Potatoes.
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Sep 10 2024, 09:59 PM
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Joined: 28-September 16
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QUOTE(Lena Wolf @ Sep 10 2024, 09:53 AM) There are also a number of new mods that modify vanilla heads by gently changing the mesh. They are designed to work with vanilla faces, that is, they don't deform them. The results are quite impressive! It is suprising how little the mesh needs to be changed for the face to look different. For example, see this: Undeformed Potatoes - fixes up vanilla NPCs without changing the mesh. Enhanced Vanilla Faces - changes the mesh slightly which improves vanilla faces. Works well with Undeformed Potatoes. I don’t see a huge difference with the first mod, but that second one does make a good difference! I can see how together they could be very beneficial.
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"Family is an odd thing, is it not? Defined by blood, separated by blood, joined by blood. In the end, it's all just blood." -Dhaunayne Aundae
May you walk on warm sands!
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Lena Wolf |
Sep 11 2024, 10:03 AM
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Mouth
Joined: 18-May 21
From: Bravil
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What also makes a big difference is face textures. Some of those mods are referenced from the two I listed, but there's more. So if you wanted to try something different than OCO, there are actually quite a lot of options for the vanilla heads.
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"What is life's greatest illusion?" "Innocence, my brother."
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TheCheshireKhajiit |
Sep 11 2024, 12:52 PM
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Ancient
Joined: 28-September 16
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QUOTE(Lena Wolf @ Sep 11 2024, 04:03 AM) What also makes a big difference is face textures. Some of those mods are referenced from the two I listed, but there's more. So if you wanted to try something different than OCO, there are actually quite a lot of options for the vanilla heads.
I’ve actually decided against bothering with OCO. I had forgotten how drastically they change the faceshape of some of the races (Like the Dunmer, eesh ). If I feel the need to, I will look into face texture mods. I’m trying to keep it mod light, so I’ll probably just stick to vanilla in this area.
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"Family is an odd thing, is it not? Defined by blood, separated by blood, joined by blood. In the end, it's all just blood." -Dhaunayne Aundae
May you walk on warm sands!
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