The Wobbly Goblet Discussion Thread, Out Of Character Stuff Goes Here Options

[Grits]

Yeah, I did miss it. I read the cliff post last night and thought WTF is going on. Then I went back a page this morning and saw.

Black Hand, I hate to see you go but I respect your decision. The Goblet is always open should you want to return.

[King Coin]

Withdrawn.

This post has been edited by King Coin: Sep 23 2013, 05:36 AM

[minque]

Hmm I don't know if dear mALXie will do a rescue thingy..but she might..and yes of course there has to be permission if using someone else's charachter

Well this issue is hanging Serene in the void too! I think I'll have to put her to bed...OR kill her

[Elisabeth Hollow]

Don't kill her!

[Colonel Mustard]

*Reads the last few posts in the Wobbly Goblet thread*

Er, what exactly is going on right now?

[King Coin]

*Reads the last few posts in the Wobbly Goblet thread*

Er, what exactly is going on right now?

Apparently Black Hand withdrew by editing one of his previous posts and had Seth walk off a cliff and die... Nobody (or very few) saw it until mALX posted.


I think we are going to move the thread to the next morning tomorrow unless everyone is done posting. Then it might be sooner.

[Grits]

Most of the characters have gone to bed, but Serene and Sonita are still in the tavern. There are some other folks who haven't posted in awhile so I'm giving them the rest of today (Sunday) before finishing the festival day. You don't have to post for your character unless you want to, I just want to give you the chance.

I'll do a NPC post so everyone knows it's morning.

Abiene is going to wake up and probably go back to Chorrol after a post or two.

Whenever the hunters return I don't think we have to justify how long they've been gone or anything. Just come back when you're ready.


Added: Or like KC said, sooner if you want to do a morning post for your character and you have the time now.

This post has been edited by Grits: Sep 22 2013, 03:52 PM

[Rohirrim]

Oh, I intended that last post to be seen as a go-ahead for morning. Sorry.

[mALX]

There are better ways to step out of a thread. And mALX, if you do want to keep doing a 'rescue Seth' story, you need to make a new thread for that.

EDIT: And make sure you have permission to use Black Hand's character.

Based on the PM's I received, it seems like every time I post on this RP I upset everyone somehow. Not sure how or why. I am seriously feeling like I am the only one not welcome to post on this RP, after all that hard work of making the Wobbly mod for you all to enjoy.

My post belongs on the Playground, as it was written in response to Blackie's post. I am not moving it to Grits's "Postcard" thread, or altering its contents.

I was told my character did not interact with anyone - yes she did. Eyja interacted with Maxical and Seth; both other characters. She interacted with Clavicus Vile, an NPC.

How many other posts interact solely with their own other characters or NPC's on the Playground? Abiene and Darnand; Irvana and Draken; Abiene and any of the NPC's at the Wobbly; Abiene and NPC's in Chorrol; etc. - I can count the posts if needed, it is a majority of them.

What about the posts where your characters are alone in a room, like Abiene's bath the other day? She didn't interact with anyone but herself, yet her post was valid. Then why is mine not?

I was also told my post was invalid because she wasn't on Wobbly property; but it is connected to a scene on the Wobbly. Based off numerous posts of Abiene in Chorrol, Lycus when he went to Hircine's realm, and the fact that Grits told me to post Eyja and Maxical at the Arcane receiving the portrait Abiene sent her (and I quote), "If it is connected to the Wobbly it belongs in the Playground."


** For anyone reading this, I am not singling out Grits's character Abiene in these examples for any particular reason other than she made a perfect example of how one person's posts are acceptable given the same criteria.





This post has been edited by mALX: Sep 24 2013, 06:13 AM

[King Coin]

mALX, nobody is upset with you. And I'm sorry if my post sounded hurtful to you, that was not my intention at all.

[Grits]

mALX, I don’t know why you think everyone is upset at you. Rather than getting upset that you’re saying I’m upset, I’d like to just let it go as a misunderstanding.

Are you and Black Hand planning a rescue adventure? It sounded like he left the thread. If all of your planning was in PMs, you guys should make at least one post in the discussion thread so the other players know what’s going on. Otherwise it looks like you took over his character and brought him to a daedric realm from some other location, which of course would be way out of the scope of the Goblet’s main thread. Was your post meant to introduce a new plot that would be discussed and recruited for at the Goblet? A little explanation helps prevent a lot of confusion.

A general reminder (for all) that we’ve learned a lot in 800 some posts in the Goblet thread. Mistakes have been made, discussed, and learned from. Past exceptions aren’t permission for repeating them. Maybe reading a guideline for RP would be helpful here.

Oh, I should mention that when I say Abiene is going to Chorrol, I mean that’s she’s leaving the Goblet thread. I won’t be posting what she does in Chorrol, just her departure.

Everyone, it might be afternoon before I can post. Go ahead without me if you’d like. Yetta will be featuring pumpkin in her baked goods.

…
mALX, I just saw your last edit. The rules are the same. I saw nothing offensive in KC’s post that you quoted. However, with each edit you sound increasingly upset. Perhaps a cooling off period would be beneficial.

[mALX]

The impression was given that everyone was upset by being told for numerous reasons including those listed in my comment above that I had to move my post to your "Postcards" thread because it doesn't belong here. I was told that something had to be done about it, it was disrupting everyone's posting.

Blackie has given me permission to do it, though I didn't realize I had to report that to everyone first. That post was to bring Seth back to life so Serene is not left hanging, and Blackie can return if he chooses. The post was already too long to bring him back to the Wobbly on it.

A general reminder (for all) that we’ve learned a lot in 800 some posts in the Goblet thread. Mistakes have been made, discussed, and learned from. Past exceptions aren’t permission for repeating them. Maybe reading a guideline for RP would be helpful here.

This is probably where the issues come in with a noob RP'er. If there have been discussions, I was not privy to them unless they were brought up on here. I have read both your guideline at the beginning of this RP and the one Minque posted for all the RP's. Neither shows my posts in error, yet there seems to be quite a bit of discussion behind the scenes that they are.

People learn by example, and that is what I have done on this RP. I watched the experienced RP'ers (like DE and Grits); followed their example.





This post has been edited by mALX: Sep 23 2013, 12:57 PM

[minque]

mALX, you have not violated any rules IMO. My post regarding the over all rules is the one to follow. You have done that.....So no problems go ahead my friend...POST

[mALX]

mALX, you have not violated any rules IMO. My post regarding the over all rules is the one to follow. You have done that.....So no problems go ahead my friend...POST

Thank you, Minque!

[Grits]

mALX, I’m talking about the discussions that happened here in this thread regarding the rules set out in the Players Guide and minque’s sticky.

minque, with respect I think that the rules set forth in this thread for the playground RP do apply. Specifically:

Code of Conduct:
3. Do not take control of another person’s character.

There is no question that mALX took control of Black Hand’s character. Now we’re hearing that she had permission. Yes, you need to mention this in the discussion thread first so the rest of us know what you’re doing, as minque suggests in the sticky.

mALX, you have not violated any rules IMO. My post regarding the over all rules is the one to follow. You have done that.....So no problems go ahead my friend...POST

minque, are you saying that the hosts of RP threads can’t post their own rules in addition to your overall rules? That’s what it sounds like, but perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you mean. Did you just give mALX your permission to continue a daedric realm plot inside the Goblet playground thread?

I think it would be helpful to post your reply here in the discussion thread rather than a PM, since this concerns the how the forum is moderated as a whole.

[mALX]

mALX, I’m talking about the discussions that happened here in this thread regarding the rules set out in the Players Guide and minque’s sticky.

I read the sticky and your rules. I have Blackie's permission so have broken none.

Did you just give mALX your permission to continue a daedric realm plot inside the Goblet playground thread?

There is no Daedric realm plot, I am not continuing to play in a Daedric realm! I already told you in my comment above all this that the post was already too long to bring him back or he would have been at the Wobbly. He was just brought there to save his life.


Here is my post:

The post was already too long to bring him back to the Wobbly on it.

mALX, I don’t know why you think everyone is upset at you.

Bingo.

A PM to me asking questions would have solved all this. Communication is key, and you are the host. If you have a question, my PM box is always open. You didn't avail yourself of it and I didn't know I needed to explain on here what would effect no other player. Serene and Blackie know, they are the only ones it affects.

I didn't know it was required by anyone except Blackie, me, and Serene. None of you all explain your plans on this thread except to those involved, and that is usually done by PM.

No one was put out by Seth's return to life any more than they noticed his death, it affected no one but Serene. This gives Serene a way to choose either to go on RP'ing or exit. It harms or intrudes on no one else's story.




This post has been edited by mALX: Sep 23 2013, 01:03 PM

[Grits]

mALX, I don’t know why you think everyone is upset at you.

Bingo.

A PM to me asking questions would have solved all this. Communication is key, and you are the host. If you have a question, my PM box is always open. You didn't avail yourself of it and I didn't know I needed to explain on here what would effect no other player. Serene and Blackie know, they are the only ones it affects.

I don't have a question. You've come out of the blue with this. It sounds like you're accusing me of creating drama behind your back. That couldn't be farther from the truth, and frankly it's disappointing.

I'd like for folks who are posting in the Goblet thread to follow the very open-ended rules that we founded this RP upon. That's really all I have to say about it.

[mALX]

I'd like for folks who are posting in the Goblet thread to follow the very open-ended rules that we founded this RP upon. That's really all I have to say about it.

And I have.

I don't understand why this was made into an issue to begin with if you had no questions; or why you were continuing to argue that I took control of Blackie's character after you knew I had his permission; or why you would still state to Minque that I was carrying out plots in a deadric realm after I explained fully that I was not doing anything but saving Blackie's life.

This was for both Serene and Blackie's characters, not for me.

Grits, I have always had the highest respect and opinion of you, but there is no doubt in my mind I did nothing to cause this latest issue that has riled you. You say you had no questions to PM me with, but managed some pretty harsh accusations on me in your comment to Minque, all of which had already been cleared up.

The thing about knowing someone for years, even on the internet - you know every nuance of the way they phrase their words. Every alteration that shows their change of mood. I could tell at the end of the Poison thread you were getting irritated over something, but never told me what. How do noobs learn if you don't communicate? How do people stay friends if you don't tell them when something is bothering you?

I've cared about you for years. I don't know what is going on with you with this RP, but I always thought we got along up till now. Every time I get on the RP, you and KC have had issues with me. I have bent over backwards to keep from offending either of you, and I don't know where else to go but out. I'll finish Blackie's post and do the Arcane posts - like I said, you have made me the only unwelcome RP'er on here.

I will say this though. If you had these issues with the way I RP and rather than as a friend come help me learn the right way, you bottled it up till you hurt a friendship with it - that is disappointing to me.






This post has been edited by mALX: Sep 23 2013, 02:19 PM

[Grits]

I will say this though. If you had these issues with the way I RP and rather than as a friend come help me learn the right way, you bottled it up till you hurt a friendship with it - that is disappointing to me.

You are completely mistaken about this. I don't know how else to explain other than to say you have a very wrong idea about what I'm thinking and my intentions. That seems to have led you to make some wrong assumptions, and now personal accusations. Perhaps you might back up and think it through again. As it stands you are way off base.

Let's keep on topic. Do you still have questions about the rules set out in the Players Guide?

[minque]

So let's just go through this, shall we?

First, my pinned post, the overall rules of RP-ing

However, please behave. Be civil. Don't flame, don't spam, etcetera. Out of character discussion is allowed in role-playing threads, just as long as you don't break any of the rules of conduit, and as long as you don't start telling the role-players that their role-play is dumb. Any posts that are against the rules of conduit shall be deleted.

Feel free to have two threads dedicated to the same role-play at once: the role-play itself, and a discussion thread about what will take place next in the role-play. It is suggested that people discuss what they are going to do next in the role-play in the discussion thread. Why? Because most people don't like surprises, and sometimes it's better to plan ahead what you're going to do, especially if that event will greatly modify the course of things.

Then the Code of conduct for this RP, in the WG discussion thread

1. Remember your forum rules. Keep it PG-13, be courteous, no spamming.

2. The tavern thread is for IN character posts. Please keep other discussion in this thread.

3. Do not take control of another person’s character. For example: ‘Thirsty Hair-Back picked up Myelfindil and slammed him to the ground’ = NO. ‘Thirsty Hair-Back reached out to pick up the annoying elf, hoping to slam him to the ground’ = OK. Then Myelfindil’s player can decide what happens to him. Best to PM the other player or arrange it in this thread if you plan to pick a fight, though. (This actually falls under number 1 be courteous, but I thought it deserved further mention. )

4. Feel free to write the NPCs into your posts, especially if they are not busy (no one else is writing for them at the moment). That way your character won’t have to sit there waiting for their drink. Just keep them in character, please, and remember you’re writing from your character’s point of view, not the NPC’s.

In general those quotes say the same! No conflict really...

I know that many of you communicate via PM, that's ok but as Grits said it's better to write in the discussion thread, so everybody will know.

Sooo mALX you did not break any rules here written...except you didn't tell us afore that you had Blackie's permission..Honestly I was sure you had it, otherwise you would,t have posted, right?

PMs are good but in RP it's far better to speak out in the OOC-thread, then we can avoid sad misunderstandings!

I was part of the foundation of the RP section, I was asked to set the rules, so anyone can set their own rules AS LONG AS they don't interfere with the main ones, which the rules here HAVE NOT!

So mALXs post stays! Regard it as a parenthesis..continuation can take place when Blackie returns!

Serene who is really dependant of Seth, will solve the problem, in the morningof th RP.

I intend to introduce Rianne Velas....and if mALX agrees she can meet Maxical and Eyija at the Arcane university...to start with maybe in a separate thread, if the Hosts like that more. I am open for suggestions