Lol. I learned that in Fallout 3 = adding in stuff through the Dev's console = cheating, lol.







That is Awesome! I haven't heard that one yet either!

It's been awhile but I don't think it is a disposition thing. If I recall, if you walk up to a guard with a weapon drawn and talk to him, that is the likely response.

True. Some NPCs also address you differently if you talk to them with weapons drawn and their disposition is automatically lowered.

That's always the case and Lothran has done this many times to further boost someone's disposition. Still, never gotten that greeting before despite having done this to many guards.


Reason #73 why I still play this game

When playing the disposition game with that Orc in the Skingrad Castle to get your Skingrad House = if it tops out and is below 70 (the place you need it to be to get the house) = you can draw your weapon out and try again. His disposition will drop; so you can play the game again, and if you win it may get up to 70.

(I usually save before starting just in case; and stack the deck by wearing a bunch of personality enchanted clothes to meet him, lol).

Better yet, do the game with the weapon drawn, and then sheath it after to get the 10 points back. You only have to get him up to 60 that way.

On the other hand, the first spell I make is always "Bamboozle" - 100 points of charm for one or two seconds. You can pass any disposition checks once you have that available, as the clock stops when you enter dialog.

Ooh, I like the sound of that spell!

Now I definitely know for sure that the game de-coronates characters randomly. Yesterday I checked the inhabitants of the Mages Guild in Bruma and they were all crowned. Today however some of them were regular, including Volanaro, someone I've made SURE was immortal years ago.

Don't know why this is but now I know why I still encounter uncrowned characters I knew I had taken care of. It's because I had.

Wouldn't that happen when the cell they're in re-sets? So next day seems too quick, too.

What do you mean by "crowned?"

"Essential;" or can't be killed. (Immortal?)

I'm beginning to suspect that's the deal here. When Lothran is away from Bruma over summer, they reset.


Made essential using SetRefEssential 1

And for those that still don't get it, the crown replaces the talk icon for the NPC, which is how you can tell the NPC is essential. So using that commands adds the crown to the NPC.

I'm not good explaining things but I'm glad there are those who can

Anyway, this is why I talk about coronating characters

That explains it because I never have the crosshair on, meaning I don't see essential people (I think that's how it works).

New thing again! Two actually!


This Saturday at Olav's, Ongar got cut down about 50 times as always. But during one of these times something peculiar happened. While laying there, Skjorta and Brotch Calus stood over him and kept putting their hand back and forth for as long as he was down. When Ongar came to and got up, he yelled at them: "Filthy pickpocket! What did you take!?"

So I assume they were openly trying to take his stuff, but why would they do that?

I'm never sure if the game handles essential as "dead but revives" or "down but not dead". The former would make someone eligible for looting? Probably not, as the player could do so.

Because they are thieves?

What do you mean by "cut down?" If you're saying he got beat up, the 'as always' part does not compute for me. I've never seen that happen.

Ongar often steals food at the Tap and Tack which prompts everyone to call for guards who show up and draw their swords and cut him down for theft. Sometimes that happens almost ten times per evening though that many times is rare.

Oh okay. I wonder if I've ever noticed this, but am simply not remembering. Possible. Then again, Lothran spends way more time in Bruma's Tap 'n' Tack than any of mine. My people usually just have a meal or drink there, and move on.

A couple of New Things I've discovered for this very Old Game. These are a couple ideas I found in some thread in which the OP was trying to find things to do in cities. Both of them require access to the CS, or some sort of full-blown mod. But still.


1). NPCs will wear the best clothes they have, and will occasionally change outfits if you give them several of the same value. Eyja looks particularly radiant in my games, having a number of fine dresses and jewelry to wear.

.... The bolded part is something I've always wondered: is it possible to make NPCs spontaneously change clothes, so that they aren't (let's say) always wearing a Black and Gold Outfit? ... According to the bolded part, this seems possible. A mod like Active Inventory is needed to freely share items in real-time. I use Companion Share & Recruit, which allows the same activity.

But I wonder if it's also possible to give somebody several sets of clothes in their inventory. According to the bolded part above, they should change clohtes as long as all these clothing sets are of the "same value", which I assume means all of them are Lower Class or Middle or Upper Class? Or literally the same value, gold-wise? Not sure. I wanna try to find out if (when) I return to OB again.

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2). One of my failures in my adopted town of Bravil was trying to save the Skooma addicts. I had removed every source of Skooma from their inventories and chests. They actually came outside and wandered around and talked to other people, which seemed to be great progress. However, the demon sugar had them too tightly in its grip. Unbeknownst to me at the time, there is a local Skooma dealer in Bravil. So at least one of them hits up their source. One of the others tries to steal it from the first one. Violence ensues. The next day, I discover all of this from the corpses floating in the river near the bridge. I had to reconstruct the crime using forensics (i.e. reloading and following them to see what on earth had killed them).

-----Again, this sounds amazing. Doesn't sound like a mod is needed, although CS access is needed so we can remove all that skooma.

One great thing about Oblivion is all the small things going on that you normally just don't notice, unless you play close attention. That skooma thing for example. Really cool that NPCs find solutions if you suddenly create problems for them. Like if you take all their drugs they actually go out looking for more and even try to steal from one another if they have it.


Don't know about NPCs changing the clothes, though. That's something Lothran and I have never tried

It is something which has crossed my mind. Not just in Oblivion but also in Sims 3. We can change the clothes of our own characters/Sims, but the AI cannot.

There is a mod for Oblivion that does it. Makes everyone change clothes every few days. I forgot what it's called though, so you'd need to have a good ol' search!

Ah, that's okay. There are several ways I think it can be done: one is via scripts and the other is to add Leveled Lists for clothing into an NPC's inventory.

Problem with scripts is, you don't want a bunch of scripts added to a huge amount of people. It just adds unnecessary complications. Maybe for a particular follower this would be okay. Problem with Leveled Lists: they don't always work properly. The game does a dice-roll to add clothes to whatever NPCs we're talking about, but sometimes stuff doesn't work right. And now we've got somebody wandering around in his/her skivvies.

But it's not really a top-of-the-list thing for me. I'm just curious how Erlendur was able to add 'several outfits of the same value' to NPCs in real game-time, and make this work.

Item value is its base value in septims as returned by the GetGoldValue function. The distinction between lower, middle and upper class does not exist in-game - these are just folder names where the corresponding NIF files are stored. The CS shows folder names as sub-categories, that's all.

Note that GetGoldValue does not take into account any enchantment on the item, which is why NPCs cannot "see" the enchantment when they are choosing what to wear.

Ah, okay. Interesting.

The Maids 1 mod that I have installed does something interesting. In the maid’s room there’s a closet that you can assign an article of clothing for each day of the week. This allows the maid to change her outfit daily. Kind of fun.

If an item had zero weight, you could reverse-pickpocket it into a NPC’s inventory, and they might then wear it. So certain hoods enchanted with fire damage made good assassin tools, if the victim was usually hatless.

Also, it was common practice in follower mods to assign a high value to a preferred outfit, so they would not choose to wear the goodies you just wanted carried.

If during the main quest you arrive at the Weynon Priory late in the night, Jauffre is still sleeping and the dialogue of Brother Piner is different - he tells you that your visit must be obviously important and that you should wake him up. It's mentioned at the UESP, but looks like that my characters always visited the priory at daytime, else I'd remember this.

Now that you mention it I've never gotten the late night dialogue either.

I don't think any of mine have, either. Thing is, only three of my characters have attempted the entire MQ, but almost all of them drop the Amulet off with Jauffre, just to get it out of the inventory. Those who don't bring it to him (Kahreem never did) I just RP they've got this really expensive piece of jewelry on their person. Or I RP It's not there at all (Ann Thraxx). These are the things console players sometimes do to maintain imm -- Immmm... The I word.

Bottom line though, I also don't think any of them have gone into the priory after dark, looking to speak with the J man.

I actually remember the "got to wake him up" line. Brother Piner seemed unwilling to do so though... Perhaps because Lena had already contracted Porphyric thingy by then... Not quite turned into a vampire yet, I don't think, but it showed nonetheless. Yeah, she ran into a bunch of vampires in one of the first caves she passed and didn't know that the slight tiredness that she felt after the encounter was so much more dangerous than that.