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mALX
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 11:34 AM) *

QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 14 2016, 03:50 PM) *

Sure!

Iīm talking about a well-known British police series called Midsomer Murders set in modern times and centered around Midsomer county with HQ location in Causton. Its main character is Chief Super Intendent Tom Barnaby who has a wife and a daughter and who constantly struggles with the humor and dodgy morals of his helper, Sergeant Gavin Troy. At least it was Troy in the early days. Tom has had at least two other ones after Troy but is now himself replaced with a relative of his.


Vague enough for ya? biggrin.gif


Oh, Midsomer Murders. Heard of it, but never watched it.

Doesn't it have a murder rate that should have depopulated the whole area by now? laugh.gif

QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 14 2016, 04:13 PM) *

You are thinking of the influx of (way too young and angry) Official "forum-ites" filling up Chorrol with their trolling and flaming like unhousebroken pit bull dogs?

And ... what haven't I heard, is the Official site no longer going to be a forum where fans can go express their devotion to Bethesda in creative Fics; Art; and RP's (or just decades long discussions on the game; our characters; or the Lore)?


No, but Bethesda's new forum is such a damn trainwreck, such an ugly, broken mess, that I don't know that it's actually better than having nothing laugh.gif

And it probably won't be. Apparently the membership at the new forum has gone straight to Hel, there's a lengthy thread on the old forums about how broken the new one is, but nothing's being done about it. And the sections they've moved over there are basically dead, so it looks like the old forumites aren't following their sections over.

Considering their apparent lack of concern over the user-friendliness and simple functionality of the new forums, it's doubtful that they'll make any effort to keep those sections alive, if they even bother moving them over.



It is March 2010 all over again. That is when 15 of us in a group left the official forums and came here - and for the same reason. The Fic forum changed from being the best to being almost unusable. (and at the time, unreadable too, because it started off glossy black with bright white print - sent me running to the eye doctor) .

Well, it is just like Myspace - these people need to learn that if something isn't broke, you shouldn't keep fixing it. But I think Bethesda wants to shake off their old fans and make room for a new generation of fans before they bring out their next offering in the TES series.




QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 14 2016, 11:22 AM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 14 2016, 05:13 PM) *

And ... what haven't I heard, is the Official site no longer going to be a forum where fans can go express their devotion to Bethesda in creative Fics; Art; and RP's (or just decades long discussions on the game; our characters; or the Lore)?

The entire forum will eventually be archived in a read-only state.



This was exactly my first thought when I saw the new forum; that what you said is exactly what they were going for. I believe you are right.

So then it just becomes propaganda rather than interactive; and they don't have to hear us complain if their game ships broken, laugh.gif

Urk. Our era is dying out, I believe.

Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 14 2016, 05:09 PM) *

Well, it is just like Myspace - these people need to learn that if something isn't broke, you shouldn't keep fixing it. But I think Bethesda wants to shake off their old fans and make room for a new generation of fans before they bring out their next offering in the TES series.


Going by some of the "features" the new forum has, that's what I'm thinking too. They don't want the people that stick around for the series, just the ones buying on hype and moving on when they get bored.
ghastley
I'm starting to wonder what the purpose of the bogus "first time" problem is?

It seems that it keeps forgetting who I am, and losing its cookie, and not letting me in until I give it the number it conveniently sent to an email address I can only access when I'm at home (private email server with LAN access only). So I essentially can't use the new forums from work.

I think the idea of shaking off the old guard and only keeping the new kids is exactly right. Maybe the date of birth prompt will stop letting in anyone above 30?
mALX
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 12:18 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 14 2016, 05:09 PM) *

Well, it is just like Myspace - these people need to learn that if something isn't broke, you shouldn't keep fixing it. But I think Bethesda wants to shake off their old fans and make room for a new generation of fans before they bring out their next offering in the TES series.


Going by some of the "features" the new forum has, that's what I'm thinking too. They don't want the people that stick around for the series, just the ones buying on hype and moving on when they get bored.



Agreed, and I think it is because we care too much. Example = we cost them money when we raised such a fuss over the paid mods till they finally had to drop that idea. New fans wouldn't care, they don't have the long history of the way things have always been; Lore; etc.

So maybe Bethesda just wants to be able to make a big haul and go onto the next game without fans demanding they patch the last one.

Well, they technically have a cult following in us older fans of the series; and we have kind of kept them in line through the last several games = forced them to produce a decent game instead of shipped half completed; forced them to patch the errors out; voiced our opinions when we didn't like the way the new game stomped on Lore, etc. - and made them act with decency toward us fans instead of grasping greedily at every cent they could milk from us.

I'm thinking with new fans they can double their profit by producing junk and not patching it; not listening to anyone's complaints because their forums are "Read Only"

Well, as long as there are sites like Chorrol.com - the old fan base will live on despite all Bethesda's attempts to shake us, laugh.gif






QUOTE(ghastley @ Apr 14 2016, 12:49 PM) *


I think the idea of shaking off the old guard and only keeping the new kids is exactly right. Maybe the date of birth prompt will stop letting in anyone above 30?



rollinglaugh.gif


Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 14 2016, 06:00 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 12:18 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 14 2016, 05:09 PM) *

Well, it is just like Myspace - these people need to learn that if something isn't broke, you shouldn't keep fixing it. But I think Bethesda wants to shake off their old fans and make room for a new generation of fans before they bring out their next offering in the TES series.


Going by some of the "features" the new forum has, that's what I'm thinking too. They don't want the people that stick around for the series, just the ones buying on hype and moving on when they get bored.



Agreed, and I think it is because we care too much. Example = we cost them money when we raised such a fuss over the paid mods till they finally had to drop that idea. New fans wouldn't care, they don't have the long history of the way things have always been; Lore; etc.

So maybe Bethesda just wants to be able to make a big haul and go onto the next game without fans demanding they patch the last one.

Well, they technically have a cult following in us older fans of the series; and we have kind of kept them in line through the last several games = forced them to produce a decent game instead of shipped half completed; forced them to patch the errors out; voiced our opinions when we didn't like the way the new game stomped on Lore, etc. - and made them act with decency toward us fans instead of grasping greedily at every cent they could milk from us.

I'm thinking with new fans they can double their profit by producing junk and not patching it; not listening to anyone's complaints because their forums are "Read Only"

Well, as long as there are sites like Chorrol.com - the old fan base will live on despite all Bethesda's attempts to shake us, laugh.gif


I'm thinking they may have seen what happened over on the Bioware forums. Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 both split their respective fanbases and turned the forums into a warzone. If Bethesda are planning something really different with their next TES game, like an even greater departure from previous games, then a new site that purges the old guard from the forums would be the simplest way to prevent having something similar happen.
mALX
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 01:10 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 14 2016, 06:00 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 12:18 PM) *

QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 14 2016, 05:09 PM) *

Well, it is just like Myspace - these people need to learn that if something isn't broke, you shouldn't keep fixing it. But I think Bethesda wants to shake off their old fans and make room for a new generation of fans before they bring out their next offering in the TES series.


Going by some of the "features" the new forum has, that's what I'm thinking too. They don't want the people that stick around for the series, just the ones buying on hype and moving on when they get bored.



Agreed, and I think it is because we care too much. Example = we cost them money when we raised such a fuss over the paid mods till they finally had to drop that idea. New fans wouldn't care, they don't have the long history of the way things have always been; Lore; etc.

So maybe Bethesda just wants to be able to make a big haul and go onto the next game without fans demanding they patch the last one.

Well, they technically have a cult following in us older fans of the series; and we have kind of kept them in line through the last several games = forced them to produce a decent game instead of shipped half completed; forced them to patch the errors out; voiced our opinions when we didn't like the way the new game stomped on Lore, etc. - and made them act with decency toward us fans instead of grasping greedily at every cent they could milk from us.

I'm thinking with new fans they can double their profit by producing junk and not patching it; not listening to anyone's complaints because their forums are "Read Only"

Well, as long as there are sites like Chorrol.com - the old fan base will live on despite all Bethesda's attempts to shake us, laugh.gif


I'm thinking they may have seen what happened over on the Bioware forums. Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 both split their respective fanbases and turned the forums into a warzone. If Bethesda are planning something really different with their next TES game, like an even greater departure from previous games, then a new site that purges the old guard from the forums would be the simplest way to prevent having something similar happen.



What I think they should do when they want to make a huge departure from "The way things were" - is to make a whole new game of it, instead of calling it a part of the series.

I think the reason they "name" these departures a part of a series when they obviously aren't is to snag the initial pre-sales from the active fan base to fund the shipping to the masses. Then when the actual fan base sees what they have and starts raising a stink over it; the company steps back and lets the new fan masses handle it.

Well, if they had named it differently and separated it from the series to begin with - touted it as a whole new awesome game - the old fans might have tried it while waiting for the next in the series - and maybe liked it. But when they are expecting one of their beloved series and get something way off from it instead - that creates issues that didn't need to be there.

It all goes back to the company/developer's greed to grab every dollar from every direction instead of just advertising it as a new product. Milking the loyal fan base because they are sure money in the initial pre-ship phase.

mirocu
Well, they wonīt see my cash ever again thatīs for sure. When a company whose products you like screws you over itīs time to abandon ship.
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mALX @ Apr 14 2016, 06:32 PM) *

It all goes back to the company/developer's greed to grab every dollar from every direction instead of just advertising it as a new product. Milking the loyal fan base because they are sure money in the initial pre-ship phase.


Absolutely. It's a disgusting approach, and one that's comically short-sighted. But it's exactly the sort of move you have to expect from EA, and while Bethesda haven't been moving as aggressively, there is a definite progression in their games. It's only a matter of time before they pull something else huge(I'm guessing open world will be next, just because of how much it'll reduce their costs) and without the dedicated fans of the series kicking up a fuss, they'll get much less negativity on the forums.

QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 14 2016, 07:10 PM) *

Well, they wonīt see my cash ever again thatīs for sure. When a company whose products you like screws you over itīs time to abandon ship.


Heh, I made that call before the release of Skyrim laugh.gif
mirocu
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 09:03 PM) *

It's only a matter of time before they pull something else huge(I'm guessing open world will be next

But itīs always been about open world. Or am I missing something?

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 09:03 PM) *

Heh, I made that call before the release of Skyrim laugh.gif

Who amongst us two didnīt? tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 14 2016, 08:08 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 09:03 PM) *

It's only a matter of time before they pull something else huge(I'm guessing open world will be next

But itīs always been about open world. Or am I missing something?


Sure it has, but look how much got cut from Morrowind to Oblivion. And then from Oblivion to Skyrim. Just the way they handle quests in Skyrim is suggestive; no directions, quest markers, and arrows on screen so you can't miss what you're looking for. Add to that the clairvoyance spell and they're already aiming to railroad players into things.

The open world is undoubtedly the biggest sink for time and money, and if they're shifting the crowd they're aiming their games at(and they certainly seem to be) then it's probable that they'll get rid of it sooner or later.

QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 14 2016, 08:08 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 09:03 PM) *

Heh, I made that call before the release of Skyrim laugh.gif

Who amongst us two didnīt? tongue.gif


I thought you're objection was based on it requiring steam?
mirocu
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 09:14 PM) *

The open world is undoubtedly the biggest sink for time and money, and if they're shifting the crowd they're aiming their games at(and they certainly seem to be) then it's probable that they'll get rid of it sooner or later.

Oh, I think I misunderstood "next big thing to pull". I thought it as "pull a move" not pull as in remove.

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 09:14 PM) *

I thought you're objection was based on it requiring steam?

Partly, yes, but not entirely. Iīve seen the HUD, user interface etc and I do not like how they removed spellmaking and enchanting. Add to this Iīm still deep into Oblivion even though Iīm not playing as much as back in 2007-08. Itīs still very much my go-to game alongside Fallout 3 and I canīt add another huge time sinker to the mix smile.gif
Callidus Thorn
Well enchanting is in the game, but they just amped it up and changed it, along with smithing. Personally, what got me was the removal of spellmaking, the neutering of magic in favour of shouts(which I hate by the way), and the removal of attributes and birthsigns.

And you've just reminded me how many games I've got to get sorted out...
mirocu
Oh, yeah. Shouts and all that *sigh*



Not my cup of heroin indifferent.gif
Lopov
New forums have entirely ruined the private messaging system as well, it's more like some sort of chat now, no longer can you make paragraphs, insert quotes or emoticons. Since I'm still a member on Beth mostly because of PMs, there isn't any reason for me to participate in the new forums. I'll either use Chorrol or Nexus which has almost the same PM system as Beth.
mirocu
Yeah, Nexus works quite well. Have been there since 2010 but I only started to use the forums now because of the move. Didnīt disappoint me tbh smile.gif
Callidus Thorn
I might have to check out the Nexus forums then...
Lopov
I've been mostly active in Nexus only when I wanted to ask something about mods or praise some mod. I didn't notice that it's PM system is almost the same as Beth until recently.
mirocu
Hey, why donīt you guys head over there too. Give me a PM or something, I also have a few threads up like the Update Thread for Oblivion and Fallout 3 smile.gif
Callidus Thorn
Recruiting for another forum? blink.gif

From Chorrol? panic.gif
Lopov
I'll continue posting updates / stories here, the pace is just as I like it, and I don't need to catch up on 100 stories each time I visit. I'll use Nexus for PMs though, in case I haven't already told that. laugh.gif
mirocu
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 09:42 PM) *

Recruiting for another forum? blink.gif

From Chorrol? panic.gif

Itīs truly a mad world! rollinglaugh.gif rollinglaugh.gif

QUOTE(Lopov @ Apr 14 2016, 09:45 PM) *

I'll continue posting updates / stories here, the pace is just as I like it, and I don't need to catch up on 100 stories each time I visit. I'll use Nexus for PMs though, in case I haven't already told that. laugh.gif

Yeah, you do that smile.gif


I only suggested it in case you guys wanted a second place to be at when Bethsoft shuts down.
Lopov
Yes, when that happens, I might become more active there.

Until then I'll use it for PMs. biggrin.gif
mirocu
Lopov is a emot-ninja1.gif




laugh.gif
mALX
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 14 2016, 03:28 PM) *

Well enchanting is in the game, but they just amped it up and changed it, along with smithing. Personally, what got me was the removal of spellmaking, the neutering of magic in favour of shouts(which I hate by the way), and the removal of attributes and birthsigns.

And you've just reminded me how many games I've got to get sorted out...



QFT (and Bolded for "You said it!" !!! )



Callidus Thorn
Sometimes, I really have to wonder what they were thinking with Skyrim.

Besides $$$$$ of course laugh.gif
mirocu
You really think they thought of something else? tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
Well, somebody had to be thinking up ways to remove depth laugh.gif

sad.gif
mirocu
Yeah, but it all comes down to the $$$$$

Removing depth = less hours developing = fewer people needed = money in da bank!


It truly is sad, though. I agree sad.gif
Callidus Thorn
That it is.

In other news, I'm trying to boost my geek rating by reading The Silmarillion

It's actually something of an effort to do so though, because it just isn't grabbing me...
mirocu
Ba-boom!


*message pops up in Callidusī HUD*


Your Geek level has decreased 1 point due to inactivity
Callidus Thorn
Hey, give me a break. This is The Silmarillion we're talking about. This is way above my geek skill level laugh.gif

And shouldn't being on a TES-centric forum counter that "inactivity"? tongue.gif
ghastley
Quick, does anyone know the recipe for a Potion of Restore Geek?
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(ghastley @ Apr 15 2016, 08:21 PM) *

Quick, does anyone know the recipe for a Potion of Restore Geek?


I don't know the potion, but there is a ritual that I know of. All I need is a copy of The Lord of the Rings, a boxset of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the dvd of Dungeons & Dragons, and some spare time.

And I have all of those biggrin.gif
mirocu
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 15 2016, 09:21 PM) *

Hey, give me a break. This is The Silmarillion we're talking about. This is way above my geek skill level laugh.gif

And shouldn't being on a TES-centric forum counter that "inactivity"? tongue.gif

Youīre in the Everything Thread in the non-TES section. Write something about Severan and then weīll talk tongue.gif


QUOTE(ghastley @ Apr 15 2016, 09:21 PM) *

Quick, does anyone know the recipe for a Potion of Restore Geek?

One third Morrowind and two thirds Oblivion. Add water to create a drinkable solution. Mix discs and water in blender and consume with crumpets.
Callidus Thorn
Hey! When did crumpets become a geek thing? ohmy.gif

Or is that just a serving suggestion?
mirocu
Just a serving suggestion. Also itīs the only British snack thing I know of tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
Well, there's scones, which also go well with tea biggrin.gif
mirocu
How did I forget about scones?? blink.gif


Now I lost my daily internet points sad.gif
ghastley
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 15 2016, 03:55 PM) *

How did I forget about scones?? blink.gif

Because nobody mentioned clotted cream. Or clotted blood. Or creamed crackers. Or cheese! No hold the cheese. It can be just as geeky if we don't mention cheese, can't it?
Callidus Thorn
Works for me. My Doctor said I shouldn't eat cheese.

I miss it...
mirocu
-CHEESE FOR ALL!!!





Except for Thorny... biggrin.gif
Callidus Thorn
Keep that up and I'll go play Oblivion. tongue.gif

Also, because I want an excuse to post this pic:

IPB Image
mirocu
Sorry, canīt keep that up.


Iīm on a BESTie marathon. Again tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
I thought you were starting to go off them a little?
mirocu
Well, I accidentally clicked on Hot Baby and they brought me right back in again.



I wonīt say I kicked and screamed though cause Iīd hate to be a liar... laugh.gif



Callidus Thorn
Wow, you're back to being kind of creepy about this again laugh.gif
mirocu
Well, I guess any fan of anyone can be looked upon as creepy indifferent.gif







Callidus Thorn
True enough.

Though some of them get really creepy. And I mean "back away slowly without breaking eye contact" creepy.

So kind of creepy is probably pretty normal for a fan really laugh.gif
mirocu
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 15 2016, 11:02 PM) *

True enough.

Though some of them get really creepy. And I mean "back away slowly without breaking eye contact" creepy.

Iīll make sure I wonīt fit into this category anyway.


My efforts are aided by the fact thereīs half a world between me and them which means even establishing eye contact may prove slightly difficult. Unless I pause the video tongue.gif
mirocu
좋은 아침 ! biggrin.gif
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