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ImperialSnob
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 5 2014, 10:35 PM) *

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:26 PM) *

Oh come on, I mean I don't care if you dislike the movie but this is just taking the ****, I hate seeing this literally EVERYWHERE on the internet.


*sigh*

As you wish...

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:26 PM) *

If they were a standalone series, not in the Star Wars franchise no one would be so angry about them.


If they were a standalone franchise, I'd still consider them utterly [censored].

Stupid plot, ridiculous scenes left right and center, based on material which didn't need to be expanded on, and an unhealthy measure of teen angst to go with it.



1.Yeah it did, and it was cool when it did when it expanded upon the Galactic Committee stuff..

2.Fixed That For You(he's in his 20's), and well I can't disagree with that, if he was "Will kill children, he's that evil" Anikin instead of Whining Anikin it would of been even better.



Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:41 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 5 2014, 10:35 PM) *

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:26 PM) *

Oh come on, I mean I don't care if you dislike the movie but this is just taking the ****, I hate seeing this literally EVERYWHERE on the internet.


*sigh*

As you wish...

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:26 PM) *

If they were a standalone series, not in the Star Wars franchise no one would be so angry about them.


If they were a standalone franchise, I'd still consider them utterly [censored].

Stupid plot, ridiculous scenes left right and center, based on material which didn't need to be expanded on, and an unhealthy measure of teen angst to go with it.



1.Yeah it did, and it was cool when it did when it expanded upon the Galactic Committee stuff..

2.Fixed That For You(he's in his 20's), and well I can't disagree with that, if he was "Will kill children, he's that evil" Anikin instead of Whining Anikin it would of been even better.


1. Considering he had 4,000 years of events to play with, events new to those who'd only seen the original films, rehashing what we already knew really wasn't necessary.

2. Chronologically, he might have been in his twenties. Emotionally he was still an ugly ball of teen angst. His fall to the dark side was basically him brooding on his anger issues, coupled with Palpatine filling in for the missing father figure.

He was actually a far better character in the books set during the clone wars than in the films they were spawned from...


Edit: And on that note, I think it's time for me to call it a night.

Later.
ImperialSnob
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 5 2014, 10:48 PM) *

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:41 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 5 2014, 10:35 PM) *

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:26 PM) *

Oh come on, I mean I don't care if you dislike the movie but this is just taking the ****, I hate seeing this literally EVERYWHERE on the internet.


*sigh*

As you wish...

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:26 PM) *

If they were a standalone series, not in the Star Wars franchise no one would be so angry about them.


If they were a standalone franchise, I'd still consider them utterly [censored].

Stupid plot, ridiculous scenes left right and center, based on material which didn't need to be expanded on, and an unhealthy measure of teen angst to go with it.



1.Yeah it did, and it was cool when it did when it expanded upon the Galactic Committee stuff..

2.Fixed That For You(he's in his 20's), and well I can't disagree with that, if he was "Will kill children, he's that evil" Anikin instead of Whining Anikin it would of been even better.


1. Considering he had 4,000 years of events to play with, events new to those who'd only seen the original films, rehashing what we already knew really wasn't necessary.

2. Chronologically, he might have been in his twenties. Emotionally he was still an ugly ball of teen angst. His fall to the dark side was basically him brooding on his anger issues, coupled with Palpatine filling in for the missing father figure.

He was actually a far better character in the books set during the clone wars than in the films they were spawned from...


1. Yes, because everyone knew about that stuff, because everyone has read all the books and everyone went in-depth into the lore...oh...wait.
Callidus Thorn
Okay, one last post, then I'm outta here.

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:52 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 5 2014, 10:48 PM) *

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:41 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 5 2014, 10:35 PM) *

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:26 PM) *

Oh come on, I mean I don't care if you dislike the movie but this is just taking the ****, I hate seeing this literally EVERYWHERE on the internet.


*sigh*

As you wish...

QUOTE(ImperialSnob @ Apr 5 2014, 10:26 PM) *

If they were a standalone series, not in the Star Wars franchise no one would be so angry about them.


If they were a standalone franchise, I'd still consider them utterly [censored].

Stupid plot, ridiculous scenes left right and center, based on material which didn't need to be expanded on, and an unhealthy measure of teen angst to go with it.



1.Yeah it did, and it was cool when it did when it expanded upon the Galactic Committee stuff..

2.Fixed That For You(he's in his 20's), and well I can't disagree with that, if he was "Will kill children, he's that evil" Anikin instead of Whining Anikin it would of been even better.


1. Considering he had 4,000 years of events to play with, events new to those who'd only seen the original films, rehashing what we already knew really wasn't necessary.

2. Chronologically, he might have been in his twenties. Emotionally he was still an ugly ball of teen angst. His fall to the dark side was basically him brooding on his anger issues, coupled with Palpatine filling in for the missing father figure.

He was actually a far better character in the books set during the clone wars than in the films they were spawned from...


1. Yes, because everyone knew about that stuff, because everyone has read all the books and everyone went in-depth into the lore...oh...wait.


Kind of my point. Provide those who haven't read all the books with something actually new to them, rather than a rehash of what was already known. There was so much that he could have based the films on, without needing anymore explanation than accompanied the original Star Wars films.

But that would have forced Lucas to acknowledge something other than his own work. Hence the prequels.
ImperialSnob
But it wasn't already know.
King Of Beasts
Is this a Star Wars argument?? laugh.gif
ImperialSnob
Yeah.
Elisabeth Hollow
Thanks for the puns, y'all XD
Darkness Eternal
Anakin's rise to the Dark Side wasn't just because of his angst with his love issues alone thought that was the primary factor that instigating him becoming the Sith Lord. It was because of a number of things happening to the Jedi Order and the Council specifically, who showed themselves to be a bunch of hypocrites. Having already flirted with the Dark Side of the Force, he was more prone to turning to the other side.

You have a young man who's been away from all that he knew for years. He's been far away from his mother ever since he was taken at the age of eight. He comes back, on his own free will I must add due to a vision of her dying, to see her. He only finds her broken body and her in her last moments. She was a slave her entire life before she was freed, and now she's dead. At least she saw Anakin. But how did that make him feel? Well, he butchered a bunch of men, women and children responsible for it. Still . . . his dream was to see his mother freed, and that was taken away from him. Being fatherless, his mother was the best thing that happened to him and now she's gone.

Padme comes along, and Anakin falls in love. When visions of her dying begin to surface, he does what needs to be done. He wants nothing more than to save her. Mind you during before that he's already planning on leaving the Jedi Order as a result of his secret marriage that we all know was forbidden. But when he gets the visions, he wants to fix it. He wants to turn things around and not allow his nightmares to come to pass like it did with his mother, because all that he has now in his life is Padme. So after all he's done with for Jedi and all he's done for the Republic, he expects to be granted mastery, as it would give him access to the holocrons that only a Jedi Master has access to.

We know he's not given the rank of master, and that is what drives him into the path of anger. He already dislikes Mace Windu due to his coldness and attitude towards him. He doesn't like Yoda because Yoda wasn't always in favor of his training. The entire Jedi Council was against it. And that denial of mastery was plainly like a slap in the face. So the only person helping Anakin up onto this point was Palpatine and Obi-Wan.

Palpatine tells the story of Darth Plagueis, the Sith Lord who could cheat death. Palpatine temps Anakin, and Anakin becomes Darth Vader after Mace Windu tried to assassinate Palpatine for being a Sith Lord. He goes on a killing spree after he became a full-fledged Sith. He serves his new master by killing the new enemies of the Republic, which are the Jedi. Both men, women and even the children(who could grow to become a threat for the newborn Empire) were executed. Darth Vader then goes and slaughters the Seperatists leaders to mark an end to the war. He believes he's a Hero. And he is, to the side of the Sith.

"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil."

"There are heroes on both sides."- Episode III opening crawl.

Basically, Darth Vader lost faith in the people he served. And when transforming into a Sith, an individual consumed by the Dark Side that accepts no mercy, shows no pity and has a no-nonsense attitude to peace, he goes onto believing what he is doing is right . . . to save the woman he love. But in the end, because of that rage and anger, he killed her. Its ironic. Just like the story of Darth Plagueis. He could save others from death but not himself. Anakin feared his wife's death so much that he did everything in his power to try and prevent that vision from coming to pass, when in fact it was because of his efforts and his turn to the Dark Side that she died. Its a great story, and an epic tragic tale. The reason the movie wasn't good because it didn't capture the entire feel of it. Thankfully the EU did.

Speaking of Clone Wars, this is the best thing that's happened to that cartoon. Hands down. Always was a fan of Darth Maul. I squealed like a fanboy.
Black Hand
What I liked about the expanded story of Star Wars was that it changed the conflict of the Jedi and Sith from a fairy-tale 'Good vs. Evil' black and white thing, to becoming almost entirely grey.

Now, it's been *years* since I've read up on a lot of of this, so I can't quote sources; per se, and I *will* get a few things wrong.

But, basically, after the whole discovery of Ashala and the discussion and organization on Tython, a sect of force-users came out that incorporated negative feelings into the training. The 'good' guys disagreed and said that they had to stop.

They said no.

The 'good guys' said, okay...let's fight about it. A bloody conflict ensued and the survivors were exiled.

Then after the exile they were rediscovered a couple ages later, (not Freedon Nad, or the Planet with the Sith Academy Ruins in KOTOR) and yep...the good guys went into a full-on war of what really was a genocidal manuever.

So...the early sect that weren't the Jedi...yet, forced the other sect who weren't Sith...yet, to *fully* embrace the Dark Side for the most basic of motivations: Survival. Casted a whole new light on the whole Jedi/Sith thing for me.

Tangent over.
Darkness Eternal
QUOTE(Black Hand @ Apr 6 2014, 04:41 AM) *

-Snip Snip-

Yep. I could quote Darth Vader, Sidious, Maul, Bane, Yuthura Ban and countless others and get into a huge epic wall of text of information supporting the fictional Sith belief . . . but I'll add one quote to sum it all up.

"Evil is a word used by the ignorant. The dark side is about survival. It glorifies the strength of the individual."-Darth Zannah.
McBadgere
Not that you don't tend to lean one way rather than the other or anything... biggrin.gif ...

Personally, I think Anakin was a victim of George's inability to write...And the novel makes a hell of a lot more sense than the film...

And on that, the novel series went downhill when they repeatedly hired cheap George-Yes-Men type novelists to write a succession of boring novels...And repeatedly gave them the last novel of the sequence to ruin, what had been to that point, decent stories...

And James Luceno is now in charge of them...Crap...Just crap...Aaaand now Aaron Allston is dead there's very little chance I'll be bothering again...

Until J.J. Abrams film comes out, of course... biggrin.gif ...
mirocu
Still talking about Star Wars? tongue.gif

Oh dear whateveryouchoosetobelieveinsinceIdon´twannasayanynamebecauseIsupposeI´llgetshot
ifIdo wacko.gif
ImperialSnob
Let's just agree to disagree because I've just gotten out of bed, but I still disagree about that being the best thing to happen to the Clone Wars.

The Magnificent Seven episode was AWESOME!
mirocu
You wanna talk NES instead, Impy? biggrin.gif
ImperialSnob
I dunno, 'pose.
mirocu
Well I´m waiting for the game that´s gonna finish off my big collecting spree I got myself into tongue.gif I will get a few more I played as a kid but not until I get a job, and I won´t get more rare games just because they´re rare.

I´m expecting it next week and hopefully it´ll all be ok smile.gif
ImperialSnob
Cool.
mirocu
Not sure I´m getting the sleeve for the game, but I get the box, manual and the comic book which is awesome! smile.gif

I´m gonna go all AVGN on that cart... tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(Black Hand @ Apr 6 2014, 04:41 AM) *

What I liked about the expanded story of Star Wars was that it changed the conflict of the Jedi and Sith from a fairy-tale 'Good vs. Evil' black and white thing, to becoming almost entirely grey.

Now, it's been *years* since I've read up on a lot of of this, so I can't quote sources; per se, and I *will* get a few things wrong.

But, basically, after the whole discovery of Ashala and the discussion and organization on Tython, a sect of force-users came out that incorporated negative feelings into the training. The 'good' guys disagreed and said that they had to stop.

They said no.

The 'good guys' said, okay...let's fight about it. A bloody conflict ensued and the survivors were exiled.

Then after the exile they were rediscovered a couple ages later, (not Freedon Nad, or the Planet with the Sith Academy Ruins in KOTOR) and yep...the good guys went into a full-on war of what really was a genocidal manuever.

So...the early sect that weren't the Jedi...yet, forced the other sect who weren't Sith...yet, to *fully* embrace the Dark Side for the most basic of motivations: Survival. Casted a whole new light on the whole Jedi/Sith thing for me.

Tangent over.


Interestingly enough the Sith, the actual Sith species, came to the Dark Side entirely apart from the Dark Jedi who later conquered Korriban after being exiled from the Republic. They had an encounter with the Rakata, and found their own way to the Dark Side. Ironically the Sith had the opposite problem to what would in time become the Jedi Order: a civil war with those who rejected the Dark Side. And this was before the Dark Jedi turned up

After the Great Hyperspace War, started by the Sith in what was essentially a power-play 5,000 years before the Battle of Yavin, the Republic virtually annihilated the Sith.

The way I see it, the Jedi might be more grey than white, but the Sith are a stark black.

All this based off recollection and this Wookiepedia page: Sith Empire

Also worth checking out: First Great Schism(really not pro-jedi), and Hundred-Year Darkness The latter expands on what you mentioned above, the First Great Schism, but it's when those exiles came back to annihilate those who exiled them three years later. It's worth noting that even at the end of the conflict, the jedi had them exiled rather than executed.
mirocu
Dude, we´re way past the Star Wars debate here now tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
I was just throwing to the Jedi vs Sith thing Blackie started. I'm too much of a Star Wars fan not to talk about it.

Kinda like you and the NES tongue.gif
McBadgere
*Fac-e-Palm*...

This is where I tend to stay out of stuff to do with Lore™...Whichever brand we're talking about...

I love the idea of Star Wars...I bought every single novel, right up until the end of the Legacy of The Force sequence...

Do I consider myself an fan?...Absolutely...

I was there from the start...My Dad and I saw the first one in the cinema and it was amazing...Even at that young age...

But I think the depths that it's gone to...And the desperation for it to be more than a boys-own Saturday Morning Cinema Matinee™ for older kids, a-la Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon...Which Lucas originally conceived it as...And that it now be some deep philosophical historical adult epic is ridiculous...

I'm sorry, but when they killed off two of Han and Leia's kids, I called it on my own obsession with it...

Star Wars should be about iconic, inspiring heroes and cartoon-y villainous villains that make you go "Boo-hiss"...Not all of this "The force is what it is - it's all from a certain point of view" crap...

Although...That is all entirely, my own and considered over many many years opinion...

And the Clone Wars, although it changed far too much of the EU, for me...Was watched by those for whom it was intended...The youngsters that George had aimed Star Wars at in the first place...And, I repeat, managed it again with the Prequels...
Callidus Thorn
I tuned out of the Star Wars books with the New Jedi Order series. Though I've missed out a few books leading up to them. Just couldn't get into them. and then I read the Joiner King trilogy or whatever it was called and saw a couple of Jedi, Jacen and Jaina Solo I think? Blocking an orbital bombardment with their lightsabers. Sure dry.gif

It's like I said last night, Star Wars moved on from Lucas' original vision. It's no surprise that some people hate the newer films, which ignore all of that in favour of things like Jar-Jar Binks. If it was all fan-fiction and stuff I could understand, but all the books and games and the like are licensed Star Wars products.

And of course now that he's sold out to Disney the entire Extended Universe has been declared non-canon.

The funny thing it, give Star Wars fans a choice between George Lucas' Star Wars universe, and the Extended Universe, and most would take the Extended Universe. Even if only up to a point. I think Lucas might have virtually killed the Star Wars franchise now.
mirocu
My canon Star Wars begins and ends with the three original movies. Period. Much like my canon Terminator begins and ends with the two original movies directed by James Cameron.
McBadgere
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 6 2014, 11:31 AM) *

I tuned out of the Star Wars books with the New Jedi Order series. Though I've missed out a few books leading up to them. Just couldn't get into them. and then I read the Joiner King trilogy or whatever it was called and saw a couple of Jedi, Jacen and Jaina Solo I think? Blocking an orbital bombardment with their lightsabers. Sure dry.gif

It's like I said last night, Star Wars moved on from Lucas' original vision. It's no surprise that some people hate the newer films, which ignore all of that in favour of things like Jar-Jar Binks. If it was all fan-fiction and stuff I could understand, but all the books and games and the like are licensed Star Wars products.

And of course now that he's sold out to Disney the entire Extended Universe has been declared non-canon.

The funny thing it, give Star Wars fans a choice between George Lucas' Star Wars universe, and the Extended Universe, and most would take the Extended Universe. Even if only up to a point. I think Lucas might have virtually killed the Star Wars franchise now.



I agree with the EU thing...I didn't know that Disney had declared it all non-canon...I was pretty well okay with it all until right then...Just that moment right there...I believe there was a thunderclap to go along with it...

I also didn't know about that bit with the lightsabers...I ignored Troy Denning after he killed off Anakin Solo...Well, I'm sure it wasn't his fault per-se, he did what he was told and it was actually a pretty glorious fight that finished it...But the fact that it was his book put me off Denning's stuff...And since then, any Denning novel, and there's been a few, has resulted in my renewed disgust at the book franchise...

But the Joiner King ones got on my nerves something chronic...I own all three, but I think I only ever got to about halfway through the second before I literally threw it down and never finished them...He's the main reason I've never got this latest sequence, I forget the name of them...

Urgh...They're going to watch the remake of Carrie now...So...Still here for a while then!... laugh.gif ...
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(McBadgere @ Apr 6 2014, 12:08 PM) *

QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 6 2014, 11:31 AM) *

I tuned out of the Star Wars books with the New Jedi Order series. Though I've missed out a few books leading up to them. Just couldn't get into them. and then I read the Joiner King trilogy or whatever it was called and saw a couple of Jedi, Jacen and Jaina Solo I think? Blocking an orbital bombardment with their lightsabers. Sure dry.gif

It's like I said last night, Star Wars moved on from Lucas' original vision. It's no surprise that some people hate the newer films, which ignore all of that in favour of things like Jar-Jar Binks. If it was all fan-fiction and stuff I could understand, but all the books and games and the like are licensed Star Wars products.

And of course now that he's sold out to Disney the entire Extended Universe has been declared non-canon.

The funny thing it, give Star Wars fans a choice between George Lucas' Star Wars universe, and the Extended Universe, and most would take the Extended Universe. Even if only up to a point. I think Lucas might have virtually killed the Star Wars franchise now.



I agree with the EU thing...I didn't know that Disney had declared it all non-canon...I was pretty well okay with it all until right then...Just that moment right there...I believe there was a thunderclap to go along with it...

I also didn't know about that bit with the lightsabers...I ignored Troy Denning after he killed off Anakin Solo...Well, I'm sure it wasn't his fault per-se, he did what he was told and it was actually a pretty glorious fight that finished it...But the fact that it was his book put me off Denning's stuff...And since then, any Denning novel, and there's been a few, has resulted in my renewed disgust at the book franchise...

But the Joiner King ones got on my nerves something chronic...I own all three, but I think I only ever got to about halfway through the second before I literally threw it down and never finished them...He's the main reason I've never got this latest sequence, I forget the name of them...

Urgh...They're going to watch the remake of Carrie now...So...Still here for a while then!... laugh.gif ...


Well, Disney decided to re-evaluate what is and isn't canon, and Lucas has said in the past that anything beyond the movies isn't as far as he's concerned. Somehow I don't see Disney having anymore regard for the EU than Lucas does. So while they've not outright said it, everyone knows what they mean.

Throw in the differences between the Marvel Comics universe and the Marvel films, and it's pretty obvious what they're going to do.
mirocu
I like newly-baked buns mellow.gif
Callidus Thorn
Okay, message received no more Star Wars talk...

For now evillol.gif

So, how's your day going?
mirocu
QUOTE(Callidus Thorn @ Apr 6 2014, 02:58 PM) *

Okay, message received no more Star Wars talk...

Oh, I got through? hehe.gif

My day is good but boring tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
Sundays are supposed to be boring laugh.gif
mirocu
What? Can´t hear you over my chewing on a newly-baked hot bun laugh.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 6 2014, 02:08 PM) *

What? Can´t hear you over my chewing on a newly-baked hot bun laugh.gif


Maybe you should get your ears checked tongue.gif

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mirocu
Or maybe I should get internet that talks to me tongue.gif tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 6 2014, 02:12 PM) *

Or maybe I should get internet that talks to me tongue.gif tongue.gif


Or get one of Salmo's sweetrolls.

They never get in the way of things biggrin.gif
King Of Beasts
Salmo has tasty sweetrolls mellow.gif
mirocu
This was the next best thing to Salmo´s! biggrin.gif
King Of Beasts
I have suspicions salmo is a woman laugh.gif
mirocu
He´s not in my game tongue.gif

Liz has less than 100 posts left and then she´ll join the Ancient crowd! laugh.gif
Callidus Thorn
And I've got over 6,000 verysad.gif
mirocu
So? Aren´t you happy to still have those Oblivion gates? smile.gif


Besides, you´ll get there in no time tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 6 2014, 03:53 PM) *

So? Aren´t you happy to still have those Oblivion gates? smile.gif


I'd much rather have the Daedric script...

QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 6 2014, 03:53 PM) *

Besides, you´ll get there in no time tongue.gif


Based on my current average number of posts per day:

348 days mellow.gif
mirocu
Maybe we could exchange passwords for our accounts and switch. That´ll confuse everyone here rollinglaugh.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 6 2014, 04:01 PM) *

Maybe we could exchange passwords for our accounts and switch. That´ll confuse everyone here rollinglaugh.gif


Heh, the first thing I'd do with access to your profile would be to post in the "Where Are You Today?" thread about creating a new character! evillol.gif

It'd be pandemonium rollinglaugh.gif
mirocu
Everyone would get a heart attack! rollinglaugh.gif

While with your account I´d post a sudden interest in NES games laugh.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 6 2014, 04:06 PM) *

Everyone would get a heart attack! rollinglaugh.gif


Eyes would pop out of their sockets, keyboards would be sprayed with various beverages, heads would explode, the four horsemen would be sighted...

It'd be hilarious to watch rollinglaugh.gif

QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 6 2014, 04:06 PM) *

While with your account I´d post a sudden interest in NES games laugh.gif


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mirocu
Or maybe I´d talk about sticking to just one character for all time and scrapping every other I have tongue.gif
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 6 2014, 04:10 PM) *

Or maybe I´d talk about sticking to just one character for all time and scrapping every other I have tongue.gif


Would you believe that's what I've been aiming for ever since I first read Buffy the Bowgirl?

I just can't seem to pull it off verysad.gif
mirocu
I guess some people have too many characters up there that want out tongue.gif

Fortunately I´m used to only having one character in games (you can´t be anyone else but Denton in Deus Ex for example) so for me this has never been a problem. But Lothran is not a jack of all trades, there are many things he´s not good at and many quests he won´t do.
Callidus Thorn
QUOTE(mirocu @ Apr 6 2014, 04:17 PM) *

I guess some people have too many characters up there that want out tongue.gif


More a case of too reckless for DiD, I think. Got so used to coming up with characters quickly that they just keep coming. laugh.gif
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